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    Maggie is becoming grumpier the older she gets. She is worse on lead but can avoid others. But even off lead she responds to friendly overtures with an air snap and clearly unfriendly body language. I get she hates boxers and labradors from past offence, but it is generalising and today a perfectly nice overture was rejected absolutely. Is this curable? Not sure how to manage it, I have made sure we don't stress but she is pain ion the butt around other dogs. Yet LOVES others. Not much of a player.
    I have tried walking alongside other dogs and over the walk she does settle but doesn't actually get friendly, just ignores them rather than reacts to them.
    She isn't biting but it is stressful.
    I am pretty sure she would settle over time with an introduced dog to the house ( very tribal) but casual meet and greet she is a horror.

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    Hi Farrview

    I feel your pain.

    So have you noticed you start getting anxious when you see a new dog - one you don't know - and you get worried about how your dog is going to react...

    Well that's me. There's a few types of dogs I don't even bother trying to go near.

    But with others - I have a few cue words I say when I see someone I know she knows and likes - like all her puppy friends... and I say with happy voice "who dat dere" and point them out... and she gets all wiggly butt pleased to see them too.

    So I've been using that with dogs I can see are doing all the right things but we don't know... and if she does anything right - at all calm with greeting or even just ignoring - I say "good dog, what a good dog" over and over until we're past. If it looks like she's uncomfortable still I keep it short with "lets go" and take her away...

    If someone approaches with a dog I don't think it will go well - ie it's dragging its owner towards us and it's one of those rude in your face dogs - I just yell "BAD IDEA" in a happy voice... and get my dog away. At this point you could throw kibble at the oncoming dog but ... that can backfire if they see you on another walk.

    I have been extremely naughty around the neighbourhood lately and chucked kibble over the fences at rude SWF barking dogs... Amazingly effective at shutting them up for some reason.

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    Are you sure that she does not have an injury that is causing her some pain ?

    That would be the first thing I would look at - if this behaviour is new.

    You did say in another post that she came back from the kennel with some bumps and scraps.

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    Not new just getting worse. Yes but she goes there quite joyfully so has no lingering trauma I havent put her in the compound with the dog she fought with though. They do pack walks might try one tomorrow and see what she is like.
    She us a dominant stroppy soul and I wonder if she needs to be reminded she is not in charge and that we will protect her. Could be an anxiety mechanism, maybe. Just doesnt look anxious just grumpy!
    Not sure as that sounds like pack leader stuff, but she does have a pack outlook.

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    border collies can be dog snobs - ie I know quite a few that only like other border collies. So I wouldn't be pushing her to make friends with dogs she doesn't like but I wouldn't let her beat them up either.

    I had a couple of wins today with Frosty....

    No treats - just praise - she gave a couple of those curly coat crosses - the evil eye and I got her attention and kept my attention on her - going backwards instead of me fixating on the dog over there too. And got past the dog with no lunging outbursts. My dog wasn't comfortable but she behaved reasonably well compared to a lot of other times. So I think heaps of it has to do with how I watch the other dog.

    The trouble with me watching my dog and not the other one - is I don't know if they sneak up behind us in which case my dog will go for it no matter what I do. I don't know why people do that. Sneak up on a grumpy dog and the owner.

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    your dog isn't being friendly - he's (rude) and so are you
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    I met one this morning - a medium sized white poodle x... with two women. I tried to avoid them about five times - they turned around and headed in my direction. Cumulating with coming face to face with them out of a laneway on the way home. Evil hound got the stiff backed death stare... And I turned her around and headed the other way because there was no way we were going to fit in the same space.

    Instead of continuing the way they were originally headed - they stopped... and crossed the road there. Ie they changed direction too, but they then headed the way I wanted to go home. I would have gone a much different way home if they hadn't kept turning around and heading for me at the park ... and then they go the same way home as me. WTF.

    So because I back tracked, I ended up following them up the road at a safe distance. Much better.

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    I took Maggie on a pack walk today with a local trainer.About 5 klms over 1 and a bit hours. About 9 dogs from. chihauhua to rotti.This is from the kennels where she stayed in April/ May. As we went down the dirt track to the walk she was so excited she was squeaking. ( odd sound froma bc).
    Got out of the car and she completely melted down (wild barking and lunging) at the sight of lots of dogs and particularly a large husky. It was very well managed and we walked in changing order and did some parallel in a park. I learned more about her body language and she gave the trainers several opportunities to observe the issue as she lunged at ither dogs snapping. Anyway gradually calmed and when we reached the paddock she went off lead and ran around like a loonie with the rest. It came a bit adrift when she rushed up to the rotti who had been ignoring her and then of course followed her to her increasing concern . So I put her back on lead and we walked back to the car. She was so much more relaxed and it was a very worthwhile exercise.
    We established it is fear based and she needs alot more controlled exposure.
    I learned when I avoid a dog by walking in a curve she relaxes and recognises there wont be interaction even if the distance isnt huge. It was suggested we make a daily ritual of hiding things for her to find in the garden and bring to me as apparently finding things is a great stress reliever.
    They do the walks every Sunday so might make the commitment to do ten in a row and see if she inproves further. It is $15 for the walk but the instruction is on the spot and really helpful.
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    Sounding good !

    Getting pups to use their brain is always good. Tires them out a lot quicker than just exercise alone. Teach her to pick things up.

    https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sour...ck+up+anything

    The walk sounds excellent and will be good for both of you.

    I will look forward to your updates !

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