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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    'Gen Y' - I am sure you realise that you have a very smart pup on your hands and that there is a hell of a lot of dog in him with that mix of breeds !
    So - he is 7 months old ! Woohoo – congratulations - you have a terrible teenager on your hands !
    He IS smart! Doesn't always apply himself, but yeah... teenager! He's lovely, though - we really love him. Our old dog was one of those dogs that never grew up - he passed away from bone cancer (chondrosarcoma in his hip, so inoperable) last September, at 9.5 and would chase balls for hours on end if we let him. So we're familiar with the behaviour side of things, and trust me, I'm not about to give up on him. I guess I am just very aware of his size (26kg at 7 months - I guess that means he'll be early 30s when he's fully grown - big enough to make him hard to handle if not properly behaved).

    Dogs’ ability to read our body language is mind blowing. The night you had the bad walk - I can guarantee that your pup knew you were stressed about it – even before you put on your runners ! So you were stressed -> leads to the pup being stressed = frustrating walk !
    It was a stupid time to walk a dog that's been showing some signs of developing on leash aggression. Completely my fault and I've learned my lesson there. I'll go back to walking evenings for now. Funnily enough, at training, he's fine on the lead (except when crazy Pom decided it wanted to kill him) and loves to meet other dogs.

    I agree with ‘Hyacinth’ about your dog training class. There is nothing in the ‘rule book’ that says you have to put up with a swf being feral. Your responsibility is to yourself and your pup’s safety. If it happens again – move away. If it continues to happen and the trainers are doing nothing about it – then find another training facility.
    It's a volunteer run set up, so quite casual. The lady we did puppy training with gave some really ordinary advice (e.g. "you really don't need to take your dog off your premises for the first 8 months, other than to training and to the vet" - seems like a recipe for disaster to me), so I sought out a different set-up. I think the thing I need to remember is that, whilst they seem to have good advice, I need to cherry pick and do my own research as well. I'm really glad I've sought advice on here, because it's really clarified a lot for me :-)

    I re-read my previous comment and I hope you didn’t think I was being too rough with you. It was not intended. I wanted you to think about things.
    No, not at all! Even if you were, I don't think that's always a bad thing - especially when dogs are involved ;-) I was after advice - and I sure got me some of that!

    Most of us on this forum have gone through exactly what you are going through with your pup. My breed of choice is GSPs and they never grow up ! I have 2 ATM - 1 eight year old boy and a PITA ~ 12 month old girl. She is also coming off heat. So, hormone brain + a terrible teenager = heaps of fun ! A truly mind blowing combination and it has been the longest nearly 4 weeks ever !
    They are such lovely dogs. The trainer in my class has one and he is a beautiful boy. A friend of mine used to have one and I was always fascinated by their mouths - so soft and gentle.

    Most important thing you can do is have fun with your pup. Keep the training sessions short and sweet and always end your session on a positive note. Teaching your pup to use his brain is a fantastic bonding tool - and heaps of fun.
    Good Luck !
    Thanks RileyJ, and and also for all the links. I'm going to spend the evening reading your links. I'm really grateful for your advice ;-) Same goes for everyone else who has had some input :-)

    Cheers,
    Gen Y

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    That's horrible. But I also think it's a kind of natural selection... ie dumb owners and their dogs will soon be parted if they take risks like that.

    When it's really crap is when the owner has left her dog in the care of someone she trusts - who then ignores all the instructions and lets the dog off lead in an unsafe place - that happens too and it's horrible too.

    My dog is extremely good at picking up my signals... there was an out of control brindle staffy cross puppy at the beach today. I first noticed it when it was trying to get an unwilling dog to play... and then it swapped its attention to a mum and toddler and jumped on the toddler... really not good. Owner finally decided to put his dog back on lead but he was a long time catching up... and Evil Hound decided he needed a bit of a hurry along - so she was chasing the owner and jumping on him... Fortunately she came back when I called her...

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    'Gen Y' - I am really liking what I read in your last post – particularly this next one ! Keep it up !

    I think the thing I need to remember is that, whilst they seem to have good advice, I need to cherry pick and do my own research as well.
    This is what we all do ! Find something that works for you and put it in your ‘Dog Training Toolbox’ !

    The last time I had a very young pup at my place was 1999. My DTT was very outdated and needed remodelling with my new pup. She has pushed some buttons on me that I didn’t even know that I had !

    It is all fun and she managed to achieve her 1st Birthday without loss of life or limb.

    I hope you found a lot of helpful information from the links. Have fun !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    When it's really crap is when the owner has left her dog in the care of someone she trusts - who then ignores all the instructions and lets the dog off lead in an unsafe place - that happens too and it's horrible too.
    I would never trust someone again if they directly ignored my instructions regarding pets. I would also be very angry.... I don't often lash out in anger at people (Usually just keep it to myself) however in a situation like that, I would. I'm VERY picky about who looks after our pets, which can make it hard to find someone suitable!

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    I would never trust someone again if they directly ignored my instructions regarding pets. I would also be very angry
    It was a passive aggressive move on the part of a long term partner (male) and the female (dog owner) ended up leaving. She was heart broken but way better off without him. Too late for that dog tho.

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    Hi folks :-)

    Just wanted to post that we are seeing some progress on this issue. I am walking Bruno in the evenings, when there are no dogs around. One dog barks at a fence, but we take a wide berth and I make him sit, treat him, move on etc. Another couple of small dogs bark from balconies, but he seems to not really care about them anymore. We had a fantastic night at training last Monday. It was just us and a (very nervous and reactive) young Huski in the class and the two of them were very well behaved, with Bruno being so relaxed that he lay down quite a few times.

    So all in all, the advice I've been given here has been spot on. I'm loving all the articles you posted, RileyJ - so much food for thought!

    When I feel more confident about Bruno's ability to control himself, I will see if I can line someone else up with their (non-reactive) dog to do some training sessions.

    Thanks again for all the help!

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    'Gen Y' - I am really pleased to read your very positive update ! Your ‘tune’ has changed somewhat and your confidence level appears to have lifted up quite a few notches !

    Keep it up !

    You are the one that has the responsibility and the knowledge to ensure that your relationship with your pup will keep on getting better.

    Pups really do not like making decisions for themselves – but if they think they have to – then they will. The consequences of that decision is very often not good for the pup.

    Please keep up with your updates.

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    Hi all :-)

    Just another update from me... (sorry to bore you all with it).

    I took the pup for a walk this evening and thought we went really well. He saw a dog just a few houses away, on the other side of the street, and when I asked him to sit, he did so and subsequently got a treat. Then when we got to the main road, we saw another dog, again on the other side of the road. He just looked at it and we kept going. When we got to the shared bike/walk path near home (where I don't normally see anyone walking dogs in the evening), I spotted a fluffball being walked by a $#$# and moved about 4 metres off the path, made Bruno sit and was giving him a treat. I didn't notice the #$#@$ let his dog come almost right up to my pup (I was standing in front of my pup in such a way as to block his view of the fluffball). Well, my pup went nuts and barked and lunged at the fluffball. Then the #$#$# told me to control my dog. I nearly lost it but was able to tell him, through gritted teeth, that he ought to take his own advice (I might have added in a few choice words).

    Anyway... that was bad and I'm really upset about it. I made the rest of the walk positive and ended on a positive note. But I'm really worried about the next time we see another dog :-(

    Thanks for 'listening'.... again. Sigh....

    Cheers,
    Gen Y

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    Then the #$#$# told me to control my dog. I nearly lost it but was able to tell him, through gritted teeth, that he ought to take his own advice (I might have added in a few choice words).
    S4B = Sh!t for Brains...

    You gotta watch out for them and their dogs. We had a problem with one yesterday - so despite it being really obvious I was trying to keep my dog away from his dog - he let his dog approach us from behind and my dog - of course - went ballistic. And - she managed to get a nip in - the other dog was way too close...

    Fortunately the bloke was not a complete a-hole - and he put his puppy on lead.

    The hard part is - yelling - if I try to yell anything - it sets my dog off. I've got a few trigger happy feelings phrases but even so - if the wrong kind of dog approaches in the wrong kind of way - she will "correct it" for me. And I don't have eyes in the back of my head for the dogs that sneak up behind us.

    I don't really have a good answer except - get away as best you can. Try telling the approaching idiot that your dog is sick or has the plague. Sometimes yelling "In training" works. But it usually has to be something fast cos they just say "my dog's friendly" and I'm thinking my dog will cure that.

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    'Gen Y' - Please don’t get disillusioned ! Your pup is still very young and your confidence level is still in its early stages ! We have all been there and got the T-Shirt !

    Most times it is one step forward and then many steps backwards - for both of you ! Concentrate on the steps forward and reward both of you ! I am really pleased that you are making sure that both of you are ending a walk on a positive note – this is most important.

    Just a couple of things to remember are that:

    We are not perfect.jpg

    and

    I may not be perfect .jpg


    Where else do you take your pup ? Is the walk you do the same one all the time ?

    Have a read of this link about socialisation and see what you think:

    Socialisation? What is it exactly? | K9pro Training

    I prefer my pups to be people friendly. Not that they don’t interact or have contact with other dogs – even swfs - it is just not the focus for me anymore.

    I seem to come across too many people like what ‘Hyacinth’ called S4B s ! So I do heaps of training of my pups to try and make them ‘idiot proof’ ! It is really getting harder to do this !

    Please keep updating us on your experiences. I really love good news updates.

    Your latest post was really a good news update !

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