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    Quote Originally Posted by Gen Y View Post
    I just came back from a really awful walk with the pup. I'm really disappointed as he was so good when we walked the other night - in fact, he was perfect.

    I know it's not his fault. I chose a bad time (late afternoon on a Friday), but it's driving me crazy that other dog owners seem to think that it is ok to have their dogs off leash in the local parks - the entire suburb has become an unofficial off leash area and I'm so sick of it. Brisbane City Council don't seem to be doing anything about it as I've complained multiple times to no avail. It makes training really hard.

    It also doesn't help that we were placed next to a complete psychopath Pomeranian at training earlier in the week - it was barking and lunging at Bruno to the point where the owner had to muzzle it. Eventually Bruno snapped and lunged back at it.

    Sigh... I really hope this gets better soon
    I feel your pain, I really do!! Up until the last couple of months, there has been no law here stating that dogs must be on lead... People were legally allowed to have their dogs off leash wherever they wanted, it was an absolute nightmare for me when trying to train my boy.

    I still have heaps of issues with off leash dogs, but at least now I know that they're the ones in the wrong, not me!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogdodge View Post
    I feel your pain, I really do!! Up until the last couple of months, there has been no law here stating that dogs must be on lead... People were legally allowed to have their dogs off leash wherever they wanted, it was an absolute nightmare for me when trying to train my boy.

    I still have heaps of issues with off leash dogs, but at least now I know that they're the ones in the wrong, not me!!
    In Brisbane, it is illegal to have dogs off leash unless in a designated area. I've reported a miniature foxy for biting a small child (no blood, but still a bite), which seemed to get Council in action. That was maybe 12 months ago. This afternoon, on our 15 minute walk, we saw probably 10 dogs off leash. All surrounding suburbs have off leash parks (the closest one being 1.6km away), so if we go to off leash areas, we go to one of them. I think it's disrespectful to have dogs off leash in non-designated areas. It's not fair on people like me, who are trying to work with a reactive dog. I cannot tell you how often I phone Council.... It's futile.

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    'Gen Y' - I don't do dog parks at all nowadays – used to do in the past. I find that the majority of dog owners have not a clue about anything at all and they don’t care at all about anything. They feel that they are so special that they see themselves as members of an ‘entitled’ group – that has absolutely no responsibility for their actions nor do they fear consequences. If there are consequences – they plead ignorance and seem to get away with it !

    I have a question with regard to your comment:

    It also doesn't help that we were placed next to a complete psychopath Pomeranian at training earlier in the week - it was barking and lunging at Bruno to the point where the owner had to muzzle it. Eventually Bruno snapped and lunged back at it.
    Why did you not move yourself and your pup away from the pom from the start of the aggression shown by the pom towards your pup ?

    If you had moved away – your pup would not have snapped and lunged back.

    I think it is time for you to ‘harden up’, show your pup that you will protect him and he doesn't have to make decisions that you can’t.

    If you really want a good relationship with your pup – built on trust – then don't let him down and don't force him to make his own decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    'Gen Y' - I have a question with regard to your comment:


    Why did you not move yourself and your pup away from the pom from the start of the aggression shown by the pom towards your pup ?

    If you had moved away – your pup would not have snapped and lunged back.

    I think it is time for you to ‘harden up’, show your pup that you will protect him and he doesn't have to make decisions that you can’t.

    If you really want a good relationship with your pup – built on trust – then don't let him down and don't force him to make his own decisions.
    That's a good question. Because I didn't know any better :-/ I'm green at this. Sounds like good advice, though, so I'll take it on board for sure.

    Going back, I guess I felt that in a training environment, the trainer would tell me if I should move, but I think you're right and next time I will move. The week before that, he was between two lovely dogs and we had a cracking night of training. For what it's worth, the last time I did any dog training, was 10 years ago, and the old check chain and hard discipline was very much the done thing. I'm an open minded person, so am trying to do things in a much more humane manner this time around.

    Thanks RileyJ, I really appreciate your input :-)

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    the trainer would tell me if I should move
    True but some are dumb enough to think you will say something if you feel you need to move. Just move. Don't even ask. There will be another dog that won't have a problem with freaking out pom. Or if the trainer notices that nobody wants their dog near the pom, then the trainer might do the right thing and get the pom far enough away from the other dogs it can actually calm down and learn something. A dog can't learn when it's completely freaked out or over excited (doesn't matter if it's happy, or angry or just scared and overwhelmed - training in that state is pointless).

    Sorry to hear about your unfortunate walk. I saw a bloke walking his lab with a big stick - and thought it's sad that he feels he needs that. Tho it might just be to fend off his cat - which was trying to get in the front door - cos nobody ever feeds it... and it's cold tonight.

    You need to find some place where people don't walk their dogs or let them off lead. If your dog doesn't mind traffic, then along side a fairly busy road with nice wide footpaths - you can be pretty sure that every dog there (and child) will be on lead. Unfortunately for me - my dog would freak out anywhere near a busy road. But our parks aren't usually so busy I can't avoid the bad dog owners and there were a few out tonight. Let their dogs join in with junior footy training.

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    Thanks Hyacinth. This thread has been much more helpful than anything else I could find on the net, so I'm very grateful. We live not far from a fairly busy road, so I will give that a go. I just figured all the traffic would be distracting for him... but I guess unruly dogs are going to be a lot worse than that. We also have a lovely little mountain with bush trails as well, but that is also plagued with people who think it's an unofficial off leash area. It's a shame, because it's a great area otherwise...

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    I guess another place to try would be somewhere there's a lot of sheep or chooks or cattle or something - ie where an out of control off lead dog would normally get shot. Limestone park in Ipswich - the people there are really careful to keep their dogs on lead - it's an on lead place and I didn't see any off lead dogs there, or inspectors. I got told about inspectors a lot.

    You need to find a place like that. Maybe a nice park close to where the council inspectors like to have lunch...

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    My dog is reactive on leash to dogs she is fine with off leash. I have been going to a group dog walking with a local trainer for that reason. It has helped, I will be going to more,all participants are coached as things arise as to how to handle the dog and themselves. Most of us (me included) were giving dogs often subtle signals we were stressed. Dog naturally reacted to them, especially as my bc is ferociously observant and I keep accidentally training her to respond to tiny things I don't want her to! While not doing what I do want her to...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    You need to find some place where people don't walk their dogs or let them off lead. If your dog doesn't mind traffic, then along side a fairly busy road with nice wide footpaths - you can be pretty sure that every dog there (and child) will be on lead. Unfortunately for me - my dog would freak out anywhere near a busy road. But our parks aren't usually so busy I can't avoid the bad dog owners and there were a few out tonight. Let their dogs join in with junior footy training.
    Unfortunately in my experience, roads are no deterrent for stupid dog owners I can think of two occasions where off leash dogs have chased Koda and I across a busy road (one dog nearly got hit by a truck on the way across). Also I just recently witnessed a situation where someone was walking a large GSD on a flexi lead next to the main road ... the dog started running after something, and being on a flexi lead, she just kept running and running, until she ran on the road, got hit by a car and was killed.

    In my opinion, if you're using a flexi lead... the dog may as well be off lead, theres just so little control!
    Last edited by maddogdodge; 05-15-2015 at 10:57 PM.

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    'Gen Y' - I am sure you realise that you have a very smart pup on your hands and that there is a hell of a lot of dog in him with that mix of breeds !
    So - he is 7 months old ! Woohoo – congratulations - you have a terrible teenager on your hands !

    Have a look at this link. It explains the different stages pups go through - not to excuse bad behaviour – but reasons why things are happening the way they are.

    Puppy Development Schedule | K9pro Training

    ‘newfsie’ mentioned Turid Rugaas in one of her posts – so here is a link for you:

    Turid Rugaas - International Dog Trainer - Home

    Learning to read your pup is just so important.

    ‘farrview’ bought up an excellent point that a lot of people forget, and that is our body language and its effect on our pups.

    Dogs’ ability to read our body language is mind blowing. The night you had the bad walk - I can guarantee that your pup knew you were stressed about it – even before you put on your runners ! So you were stressed -> leads to the pup being stressed = frustrating walk !

    Just so you can’t say you have nothing to do - some more links for you:

    Patricia McConnell | Welcome to The Reading Room | McConnell Publishing Inc.

    Clicker Training Library | Karen Pryor Clicker Training

    Dogmantics Dog Training | Progressive Reinforcement Dog Training

    http://www.youtube.com/user/kikopup/videos

    Free Dog Training Articles | K9pro Training

    I suggest you look at: behavioural interrupter, positive interrupter, loose leash walking, aggression, calming signals for a start. There is an incredible amount of really good information in the above links – so have a good look around the different sites.

    I agree with ‘Hyacinth’ about your dog training class. There is nothing in the ‘rule book’ that says you have to put up with a swf being feral. Your responsibility is to yourself and your pup’s safety. If it happens again – move away. If it continues to happen and the trainers are doing nothing about it – then find another training facility.

    I re-read my previous comment and I hope you didn’t think I was being too rough with you. It was not intended. I wanted you to think about things.

    Most of us on this forum have gone through exactly what you are going through with your pup. My breed of choice is GSPs and they never grow up ! I have 2 ATM - 1 eight year old boy and a PITA ~ 12 month old girl. She is also coming off heat. So, hormone brain + a terrible teenager = heaps of fun ! A truly mind blowing combination and it has been the longest nearly 4 weeks ever !

    Most important thing you can do is have fun with your pup. Keep the training sessions short and sweet and always end your session on a positive note. Teaching your pup to use his brain is a fantastic bonding tool - and heaps of fun.
    Good Luck ! smiley-eatdrink004.gif

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