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    Wow! You get away with _that_? I have seen more than one episode where if somebody so much as touched another person's dog to restrain, there was a row. Along the lines of "How DARE you?" Mind you they are rare. I have seen them because I used to frequent a dog park that at times could literally have hundreds of free dogs....the owners were far more trouble than the dogs in most cases ....that and the bolshier bike riders, who were allowed to "share" the paths with us at 30-40KPH.

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    Wow! You get away with _that_?
    Yup. Most people who have these out of control dogs - don't even notice what I'm doing. They can't even see I've got it by the collar because the thing is usually too shaggy, it just looks like I'm giving it a pat while holding my dog off...

    Sometimes - they're yelling stupid things like "don't jump don't jump" or "Feefee, come" which Feefee ignores...

    I've been one of those bolshie bike riders and it's really irritating to have to slow to a crawl while some dog owner or parent tries to get their child out of the way. I find it easier - if I'm travelling at speed - to ROAR at dog or child... and they clear off of their own accord. I used my bike as a shield and then yelled to drive off a cattle dog one time.

    If people complain - I just say, you didnt' do anything so I did.

    I'd be very surprised to find bike riders blasting through a fenced dog park tho - that would be weird.

    And I avoid places like Linear park along the Torrens River in SA - because it's just not straight enough to be any use as a commuter track and at certain times - you can be sure it will be covered in aimlessly wandering oblivious people and their children and pets (despite the path being on lead zone).

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    Yeah I hate the wrist flappers who sort of fluff at their dogs by way of control. You must have a technique and some luck, though, because the owners who do not even flap watch their dogs like hawks for "threats" from other owners.

    On the bike thing, we should probably agree to disagree, or go to PM.

    Nick

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    Yeah I hate the verbal wrist flappers who sort of fluff at their dogs by way of control. We have a couple of terriers up the road who harass the cattle down the back, and the insipid little bleats from the owners make me want to run up there and scream at them. If it was my dog harassing cattle (and I hope THAT never happens) you would hear me clear to the city. I had some goats torn up so bad by a dog I had to destroy them. They were pet goats, too, named and all.

    You must have a technique and some luck, though, with the collar grab, because I see the the owners who do not even flap watch their dogs like hawks for "threats" from other owners.....it's almost as if they let the dog loose, just looking for a fight, using the dog as "bait"....one does wonder.

    On the bike thing, we should probably agree to disagree, or go to PM.

    Nick

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    I see the the owners who do not even flap watch their dogs like hawks for "threats" from other owners
    Never seen the owner of a poodle cross do this. So many of them are so clueless... I don't chase a dog to do a collar grab - I collar grab when they jump on me or my dog. If the owner is letting their dog jump on people - they don't have any rights as far as I'm concerned. I consider it a variety of assault. There's plenty of old people around here, it's not hard to break their skin or knock them over.

    The only owners who are hawk like for threats are at dog competitions and all the dogs are on lead so easy to manage, we just keep our dogs out of each other's reach.

    The scary dog owners (bully breeds or big dog breeds) - watch pretty closely but most of those dogs - if they're let off lead - they are perfectly well behaved and don't do things like jumping on people or their on lead dogs. No reason to grab one of those.

    Tho I did grab an on heat bitch that was loose and unsupervised at the beach. Just to check for rego (it had none), and to check it really was on heat - couldn't believe it.

    I went and had a chat with the owner later - he also had an undesexed male running around on the beach and he thought these dogs (about 6 months old) were too young to get her pregnant. I thought he was wrong. I asked him if he'd noticed his dog was on heat and mentioned that there were undesexed male dogs off lead at the beach too. And he said he kept watch. But he'd never noticed me and my friend grabbing and holding his dog while we checked her out. She did look like a staffy x but she was very nicely mannered at the time.

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    Me too. I think it's the double whammy of being sprung doing something they know is wrong ie having no control over their dog - and thinking that if their dog is "friendly" then yours should be too, or never allowed out.

    They've got no idea about the dog laws in every state that forbid dogs from harassing other animals or being out of control in a public place, and they blame anyone but themselves for their lack of control.

    You just have to do the Taylor Swift thing and "shake it off", take no notice and don't engage or argue with or explain anything to idiots and crazy people.

    I find the easiest way to deal with a dog like this that is threatening my dog, that doesn't upset the owners too much - is to grab the dog by the collar until it calms down, then let it go again, if it starts harassing my dog again - repeat. This can get interesting because my dog is usually trying to get her say in too - which can be painful for the other dog, which means I have a hand on each collar holding them apart, until they both calm down or the other dog decides it would like to leave now (then I let it go).

    My first option is to be sufficiently far away that the other dog doesn't approach.
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    OK. So surreptitious is the go! The art of the collar grab! No seriously, I admire your skill in handling a situation ASAP.

    We have not had people jumpers at the park, but yeah all bets are off there!

    We do get a couple of big scary dogs whose owners think they are "just playing" and do not realise what it would be like if somebody 3 times their size came up and "played" with them: low empathy.

    Your on-heat bitch story would have to be a story of the most clueless, ignorant owner ever! Needs _serious_ education before the dogs are given back. I have to assume that their ignorance would spread to cover other areas of dog care

    Nick

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    Hi Dogman

    I'm having the same problem as you.

    theres a thread here. I can't fix it because I don't have access to the back end. I suspect the website hosting did something that broke the home page. You can get to some threads via the quick links and today's posts or subscribed threads.
    http://www.dogforum.com.au/help-foru...b-anymore.html

    It is really frustrating. I've sent Morgan a couple of messages but I don't know how long it will take to get his attention or when it will be fixed.

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    Old Nick

    I tried to educate Mr Clueless but he knows everything. He's from FNQ so they often have different ways of doing things up there. They were living in a house that didn't have proper fencing in the back yard and the windows were always wide open, with plenty of room for the dogs to let themselves out. I think the ranger found them because they were at the beach much less. Neither dog was registered or wearing a collar with rego tag at the beach. Which is fine if you don't cause any trouble. But they were.

    one of the dogs was leaving the place and coming down to the beach for a crap by himself... not good.

    Mrs Clueless doesn't believe in birth control or vaccinations for the dogs or her children. You can't "educate" people who aren't willing to listen. Sigh. And yes - they should not own dogs or have children but unfortunately there's no law that would enable them to be removed. They could be up for a bunch of fines - for letting their dogs roam and not picking up after them.

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    Oh my...disaster area. Dear dear. As you say Sigh....You get the impression they "don't believe" in this that and every other darn thing everybody is happy to agree on, just to give themselves a sense of importance, or some sort of "individuality"

    So. Today we did an on-lead at the riverside dog park. We went early to avoid the crowds. Several dogs approached and poor Peg was tail between legs again...except with a JR puppy, whose owner had had it for 12 weeks, so tiny, cute as a button and full of tiny, unthreatening beans. However, Peg was OK until it tried to sniff her bum....tail...sit. I let her back away until we had a compromise on every "other dog encounter", say 15-20m. That was...tolerable. Owners were very understanding and the dogs were all very polite, just waiting for an invite at a distance and then accepting none was forthcoming. I could not have asked for a better interlude. I did stay away from groups of dogs, or pairs of bouncing dogs. We did not try the water, as the beach had a couple of dogs tearing up and down.

    I adopted another compromise on the tail. After the "threat" was gone, I left it a while and then comforted her and brought the tail out (it stayed in until then, and out afterward). I actually think that it got better. When she was scared, and the "threat" was there, I did not touch her, just spoke comforting words. I then tried comforting and sorting the tail closer and closerr to the leaving of the other dog. 20 seconds, maybe 15 seconds after the dog went was the limit. Before that, she would just sit for me. To my shame I forgot to take treats. But it did get a _little_ better over maybe 1/2 hour. Practice practice.

    Sorry to regale you with the story that so many have to tell, except that this little girl is a very scared, confused little thing, with a LOT of hangups, innate or taught.

    Nick

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