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Thread: Support for reward based training (+/- R)

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    witholding a treat is negative punishment. Negative reinforcement is removing the aversive (so pressure off the collar as a reward for good behavior etc) You cannot have training without some form of punishment otherwise it does not work. We just think that punishment has to be physical pain.

    've been told often and long by some dog trainers who like to use all four quadrants in their training - which I respect for trainers with excellent mechanics and timing - but not for beginners or unco people like me...
    The marketing has convinced you and the zealots have done a good job. They've made it seem normal, every day dog training which EVERYONE used to do is something too hard and mysterious for the average dog owner to do to push their own agenda. It's not rocket science and you can't stuff it up that badly unless you literally grab a big stick and constantly beat the dog with it for anything it does. Then you create a problem. I have people who have never owned a dog before do it quite fine and have well mannered dogs so why can't everyone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    The marketing has convinced you and the zealots have done a good job. They've made it seem normal, every day dog training which EVERYONE used to do is something too hard and mysterious for the average dog owner to do to push their own agenda. It's not rocket science and you can't stuff it up that badly unless you literally grab a big stick and constantly beat the dog with it for anything it does. Then you create a problem. I have people who have never owned a dog before do it quite fine and have well mannered dogs so why can't everyone else?
    Yes the first dogs I owned many years ago were well behaved. I knew nothing about the technical aspects of training but still ended up with fab dogs and most of my non sport dog own friends have well behaved happy dogs and they would never have read anything about the 4 quadrants, so no it isnt rocket science.

    I have only taken an interest in the more technical aspects because I have performance dogs. It is here that I have learned that I get really good peformance from my agility dogs using the + and - reward system. I never use any form of physical interaction like reducing pressure, all my training is about building speed and control. However I also do a lot of foundation training as pups so they really get it.

    With my sheep dog training however I do often use a long line in the beginning which includes the use of pressure and restraint and physical guidance. The dogs soon learn how it works and it is rarely need for long.
    Last edited by Kalacreek; 02-23-2014 at 11:10 AM.

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