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    Just be aware...

    some stupid people do not find muzzles a deterrent, but more of a challenge... or opportunity to do something really stupid...

    Beware of stupid people. And small children, and especially small children of stupid people... It's like they want your dog to eat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Just be aware...

    some stupid people do not find muzzles a deterrent, but more of a challenge... or opportunity to do something really stupid...

    Beware of stupid people. And small children, and especially small children of stupid people... It's like they want your dog to eat them.
    Yes, i am aware of this, and will be keeping an eye out for such people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogdodge View Post
    I'm not using this muzzle on a perfectly stable dog, why would I do that? Let me explain my situation. Koda is aggressive to dogs that are the same size or bigger than him. He hasn't been off our farm to see another dog for two years (except for the last time he went to the vet). We are unsure of what Koda's reaction will be when he see's another dog in public, for all we know, he could have matured and be fine, or he could be 10 times worse than he was, we simply do not know.
    We bought the muzzle for various reasons...
    1. As a confidence booster, walking Koda (or any reactive dog) in public when you are anxious and on edge is simply not going to work, your own anxiousness is going to transfer to the dog. Using a muzzle will greatly reduce both my mother's and my nervousness because there is no way that Koda can harm a dog even if he does react worse than we expected.
    2. As a deterrent for stupid people. Simple as that. The last thing I want is to be walking Koda and be faced with a person who decides to let their insane dog run up to my dog because "oh he's friendly, he won't hurt your dog." I am aware that it won't deter all people, but it definitely will deter some.

    Yes, I am aware that a lot of people will be frightened of Koda and want to avoid him while he has the muzzle on, but to be honest, that would be wonderful. I just want to be able to walk my dog in peace, and if a muzzle can help me do that then that is what i'll be doing. Koda already loves the muzzle, I took him for a quick walk around the farm yesterday and he was as happy as larry He couldn't have cared less about the muzzle.
    What happens if your walking Koda down the street and another dog attacks him...he can't defend himself because he's wearing a muzzle and I don't think that's fair IMO. I'm not having a go at you...but why are you nervous walking Koda...you shouldn't be as it's not your fault if some idiot lets their dog run up to Koda and Koda bites it.

    Every time you walk your dog...you're both at risk from morons who haven't a clue how to control their own dog...especially dogs that run out at you from yards with no fences...you should also carry a large stick too.
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    maddogdodge’ – Thank you for your reply !

    I'm not sure i entirely understand your question Riley. I bought the muzzle not because he has tried to bite a dog or that i think he will. Its more as a confidence booster for my mother and I when we take him out. My mum hasn't even entertained the idea of me taking Koda out until i suggested getting a muzzle, now she feels much more confident in taking him out into the public. I will be training him to not react aggressively to dogs. I will also be training Koda to love the muzzle, it is going to become a really positive thing for him He already voluntarily sticks his nose into it because he associates it with lots of praise and treats.
    For someone not understanding my query – your reply – particularly the bolded bit above – more than gave a ‘spot-on explanation’ as to how/what you are doing to help Koda handle the muzzle in the early stages – so thank you again !

    So - now - I have a confession to make – to the ‘DFM’ ! I use a slip/choker collar with Riley – as I have done with all my pups in the past !

    I know that there are a few ‘notable members’ on this forum - who don't agree with their use – but as long as the user knows the technique for proper use – then – What is the problem ?

    Both of these items, I class as tools that can be put into your ‘Pup Training Tool Box’. Whether they are used - is very much up to the owner of the pup and the specific circumstances that they find themselves in with their pup !

    The most important thing is that training is involved in the use of anything new with your pup - for both the owner and the pup !

    Keep up the great work that you are doing with Koda ! Perhaps you will put up a few videos to show what a muzzle actually means to Koda and what you are achieving with your pup – maybe look at this thread being ‘pinned’ ?

    Muzzles aren’t scary things – as long as you don't just put them on the pup and expect miracles to happen with their behavior !

    Positive experiences for pup – means happy times for the owner !

    So – as you said – if the muzzle means other owners of dogs give you a wide berth – then that is a win-win situation ! All the better for future training of Koda – on your terms !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    What happens if your walking Koda down the street and another dog attacks him...he can't defend himself because he's wearing a muzzle and I don't think that's fair IMO. I'm not having a go at you...but why are you nervous walking Koda...you shouldn't be as it's not your fault if some idiot lets their dog run up to Koda and Koda bites it.

    Every time you walk your dog...you're both at risk from morons who haven't a clue how to control their own dog...especially dogs that run out at you from yards with no fences...you should also carry a large stick too.
    You are perfectly right, if a dog attacks Koda while he is wearing a muzzle he can not defend himself. However considering he is a reactive dog, if he is not wearing a muzzle its just as likely that a friendly dog could approach him and he could attack it, in which case i would be at fault and he would probably be declared dangerous by the council, and then by law i'd have to muzzle him... i wouldn't have an option. You say that i shouldn't be nervous walking Koda without a muzzle, but if Koda bites a dog (even if it isn't my fault) the chances of someone reporting me and him being declared dangerous are just too high, i'm not willing to risk it. So my choice is to have him wear a muzzle while he is in training and until i feel confident that he wont react aggressively to other dogs, and then i'll start taking him out without the muzzle. The muzzle is not a permanent thing, it is a training aid as Riley said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    maddogdodge’ – Thank you for your reply !



    For someone not understanding my query – your reply – particularly the bolded bit above – more than gave a ‘spot-on explanation’ as to how/what you are doing to help Koda handle the muzzle in the early stages – so thank you again !

    So - now - I have a confession to make – to the ‘DFM’ ! I use a slip/choker collar with Riley – as I have done with all my pups in the past !

    I know that there are a few ‘notable members’ on this forum - who don't agree with their use – but as long as the user knows the technique for proper use – then – What is the problem ?

    Both of these items, I class as tools that can be put into your ‘Pup Training Tool Box’. Whether they are used - is very much up to the owner of the pup and the specific circumstances that they find themselves in with their pup !

    The most important thing is that training is involved in the use of anything new with your pup - for both the owner and the pup !

    Keep up the great work that you are doing with Koda ! Perhaps you will put up a few videos to show what a muzzle actually means to Koda and what you are achieving with your pup – maybe look at this thread being ‘pinned’ ?

    Muzzles aren’t scary things – as long as you don't just put them on the pup and expect miracles to happen with their behavior !

    Positive experiences for pup – means happy times for the owner !

    So – as you said – if the muzzle means other owners of dogs give you a wide berth – then that is a win-win situation ! All the better for future training of Koda – on your terms !
    Thanks for the encouraging words Riley
    I haven't used a slip/choker collar on either of my dogs, but if i ever find myself in a situation in which i think it would be a good training aid, then i wouldn't hesitate in using one. As you said, as long as the handler knows how to use the tool properly then there shouldn't be a problem.
    I might do a video tomorrow of Koda with his muzzle on. I'm getting him to associate it with walks now, I took him on a long walk around the farm today with the muzzle on and he was doing so well, it was like he wasn't even wearing it at all, he was so chilled about it.

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    Good on you MDD, you're doing the best thing for you, your mum and Koda... I will wait for updates and hope that Koda (and you and your mum) enjoy being out and about together!

    PS: Bless him, sitting there so beautifully with his muzzle on
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    Had the vet appointment today. I was surprised to find the place empty when we went in there. The entire time we were in there, no other dogs came in! So I didn't really get to see Koda's reaction to a dog in person, however one positive thing is that for the entire consultation, there was a Husky screaming very loudly out the back of the surgery, and although Koda was a tiny bit curious about the sound, he did not react in a negative way at all

    Gonna start taking him out for walks soon now that his vaccinations are up to date.

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    Murphy's Law mate ... but good that he didn't react to the husky.

    The more he goes out I hope his confidence builds up ... it makes such a difference. I've been dog-sitting a friend's 13 year old beagle for the last 4 days. As she has a cat too, I went to her house twice a day to feed and spend time with them. Walking the dog was a pure joy, no pulling, no yanking my arms out of the socket, no even taking notice of other dogs, people, anything, just a beautiful little walker.

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