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    Default Clicker training gone wrong...

    I'm reading up on clicker training so I know what to do when I finally get my puppy and am only halfway through this article but honestly there is some worrying stuff being printed...

    'You'll want to use a soft treat that your dog can quickly eat. You can use thinly sliced hot dog, small pieces of cheese..'

    Serious you want them to associate the clicker with a heart attack! Blah I would never feed my dog that!

    'If you're trying to train your dog to fetch a beer from the fridge, for example, you don't expect your dog to get a beer for you on the first try. Instead, train small steps at a time - training your dog to open the fridge, to hold a beer can, etc. - and eventually create the entire behavior. This is known as "shaping" a behavior.'

    I'm sorry what?? do you want a dog or a waiter? That is just wrong on so many levels.

    Can anyone point me to a good link for clicker training that isn't going to upset me every second paragraph.

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    I fed my dog "pizza pieces" as training rewards regularly. Basically a mix of ham and salami off-cuts. Way too salty and fatty, but it was only for a short while and she didn't get that much of it so I didn't think it was going to impact on her health. Bit like allowing your child the occasional lolly... I did eventually switch to microwaved liver cubes though.

    And I don't see anything particularly wrong with teaching your dog to fetch a beer from the fridge either. It's not as if the dog is going to get offended because you're not giving him a tip... I want to teach my dog to close doors. Because they really don't care what tricks you teach them.

    Though there is no way I would teach my dog how to open the fridge because there'd be nothing left in it when I get home from work!

    Anywho... There's the Karen Pryor clicker training site, which has heaps of free articles for beginners and advanced trainers. Clicker Training Basics | Karen Pryor Clicker Training

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    I don't like the idea of using your dog to fetch something like a beer just feels wrong to me. For a start its not that hygenic for them to be sticking their nose in the fridge and how do you teach them not to grab anything else? And i guess i've just seen to many youtube vids with people celebrating the dogs birthday with cheeseburgers etc to want anything processed near my dog.

    Thanks for the link though will definitely have a look through.

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    My pup trains very well on Black Hawk ... Tiny biscuits, justvrigh

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    I use hot dog, kabana, cheese etc. But the point is to cut it into teeny tiny small finger nail sized pieces so it's a taste, not a hulking great piece to chew. By the way, dogs process animal fats and proteins differently to us so as long as the dog is not already obese it won't hurt them.

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    As long as it's only treats and only in small amounts I can't see any problem with using hotdogs or devon or anything like that. I use cheese sometimes, heck if I get fish and chips for myself Brock gets his share of chips. No different to humans IMO, moderation and some common sense. As for getting me a beer, the only problem I see with that is like Beloz said, the rest of the fridge i"m sure would get a good check over when I'm not looking. But I think the point about teaching the dog to get a beer was mostly about shaping a trick, whether its getting a beer or something else, the principle is still the same.

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    LOL I would never waste hotdogs or cheese on dogs haha. I use these liver treat things you can buy at the supermarket, can't remember the name (nature something?) but my dogs go bonkers for it.

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    LOL I would never waste hotdogs or cheese on dogs haha. I use these liver treat things you can buy at the supermarket, can't remember the name (nature something?) but my dogs go bonkers for it.
    I dont like using hard treats because the dog has to chew them and I find too many dogs hack them up if they get caught in their throat ... so you lose momentum. I can also mash soft foods onto objects, eg when I start dogs on trailing exercises like a cordless drill case I mash a bit of the food into a divet in the handle, that means the dog has to stand there on top of the object licking it. Keeps the dog there while the handler catches up and dog learns the more you stay on the object the more rewarding it is. You can't do that with dry stuff.

    I find hotdogs especially are cheaper then the liver treats. I get a pack of hotdogs for like $3, lasts me all afternoon between a lot of dogs

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    I just use dog roll, chicken and cheese is their favourite. As long as it is easy to swallow you can choose or make up your own recipes with the ingredients you want to use. I sometimes make tuna fudge (tuna, egg, cheese and flour) or you can make your own soft liver treats. You only use small pieces. You can also use chicken, cubed cooked meat, just use your imagination.

    The example with the beer is not that you have to train the dog to get a beer from the fridge it is just an example of whatever you want to train you dog to do you train in small steps and gradually put the sequence together.

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    I have read the article you are referring to, its actually a good article, if you take your offense out of the equation.
    If you really find it offensive that they fetch a beer, teach them to bring your fags n lighter instead.

    The dog does not give a rats arse what you are clicker training. I have mine jump off and on a piece of paper when i cant be bothered to think, so pointless, non natural behaviour. The point is, getting your dog to think and problem solve.
    So when you consider the repetoire of behavioural chain to walk to fridge < dog needs to first learn what a 'fridge' is. Then a "send away", then to use its mouth/foot to open door, to select from all other tempting smells, a naff round tall tin, and get it out, without using any hands! can you do that? etc etc

    Fetching a beer from a fridge is a advanced sequence of behaviours, that is a huge challenge for any human/dog team to achieve.

    I wouldnt get too bogged down by your own judgements of political correctness, try to see through this, to what an achievement for the team accurate completion is

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