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    Hi There,

    This is my first time using a forum, so not sure if I am doing this right, but I really don't know what to do. I have a beautiful miniature dachshund named Slinky. She is 16 weeks old, and we have had her since she was 7 weeks old. She is very smart and a quick learner. Super playful and all round a great dog

    We had her toilet trained at about 10 weeks old (we live in an apartment, and she goes on the balcony - We have also installed a doggy door which she knows how to use, and when we are home we leave the balcony doors open, even in this cold weather!).

    Over the last week, she has started pee-ing wherever she wants. I have taken her to the vet, and the vet says there is nothing wrong, it is just behavioural. What would cause her to start doing this though? She is very loved, but knows we are the alpha dog. Today she peed on my doona, while I was under it... Just stood there and peed!

    I am just after some advice/ ideas on how I can train her out of this. Up until now, it hasn't been a problem. But she needs to know this is not on.

    She had her third shots last Sunday, so as of tomorrow I am able to walk her, but up until now this hasn't been an option. The vet told me not to.

    Has this happened to you? Is it a breed thing?

    Many thanks in advance!

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    You may have to go back to scratch again. Is she crate trained? I would be taking her out on to the balcony on a regular basis and reinforcing with praise when she performs. I would be inclined to restrict her freedom in your unit untill she fully understands.

    Have you spent time training and exercising and playing with her (other than walking)? I must say my pups have only ever had 2 puppy vaccs and are then out and about. Pups need a certain amount of routine in their life. I dont think I would be letting her up on the bed until she has had more training and a better understanding of what is expected. She is still only a baby so needs a lot of continued reinforcement of what you expect from her.
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    Hi 'tabspeanut' and to the forum! Would love to see some photos of your little pup Slinky !

    As far as the toilet mistakes are concerned - could it be that it is very cold now out on the balcony for a precious little pup who doesn't want to get cold/wet while doing her toileting business out there?

    16 weeks is still a very young pup and I have tended with all my pups in the past - to still take them out for toileting at regular intervals.

    As 'Kalacreek' said – you may need to go right back to basics – that is start it all over again as if you have never trained it before with your pup.

    Some links for you:

    This one is a good all round site – has heaps of really good information on everything:

    Errorless Housetraining | Dog Star Daily

    The next one is also excellent – for all aspects of training:

    kikopup puppy tips - YouTube

    Good Luck!

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    Thanks RileyJ and Kalacreek.

    When she peed on my doona this morning, we were on the couch because its cold... She sleeps in the bed, and has never, ever gone where she sleeps.

    This afternoon she was sniffing around, so I knew she needed to go and made it easy for her by opening the door and taking her out. I closed it behind me and waited inside... She whined and whined to come back in, but I knew she needed to go. I let her go for about 10 minutes, then opened the door and went outside with her. She peed within 3 seconds of me being out there with her... Is it an attention thing? Did she pee on my doona because I was paying attention to my laptop not her?

    She has restricted access of the house when we are home, just the lounge and kitchen (where her food and water is). The other doors are closed. We play with her multiple times a day. We Play fetch of a morning for about 30 mins to wear her out... Then again at night. She has loads of toys to play with, and if we are home, she will chill on the couch with us either snoozing or chewing a toy on our laps.

    We do have a crate, but decided she could sleep in the bed. She won't pee in the crate, but I don't feel right shutting her in there when we are home. As it is, when we go out, we have baby gated the bathroom and she stays in there. Her crate is in there with the door open for her to sleep in while we are out.

    She is still young, but she is very smart (I am sure all dog owners say that about their pups), but it's only been the last week. She will look at you right in the eye, then squat and pee on the carpet, its as if she is testing us... She has been sucking up all day, because she knows I am mad at her... (I try not to show it, but deep down I actually feel bad for being mad at her).

    I thought it was the cold too, but when she is out there (it's undercover) if the rain seeps in no matter how cold she love to go have a splash around, so I don't think it's that...

    I will check out the links you gave me, but I really don't know what to do... Should I get a dog behaviour specialist to come in? Is it worth it? I am not concerned about the carpets, they can be cleaned (in fact we are going to get them done when we are 100% sure she is toilet trained), its just making sure she knows its wrong, and that she needs to go outside. The training pads didn't work, she just tried to eat them and went wherever, thats why we made it the rule that she go outside. We bought a pressure cleaner for the balcony and we hose it down every couple of days so that its not too dirty for her out there, and doesn't smell for us.

    I wanted to walk her earlier, but the vet strongly advised against it... They said 1 week after third vacs, no sooner *shrugs shoulders*, well thats tomorrow... Her routine will be walks twice a day, perhaps this will help?

    Also, i've noticed she can hold her wee longer now, but is she waiting until the very last minute and can't make it to the door perhaps? Or is she just being a brat lol

    Thanks again... Also, I will put up some more pics of my little sausage soon

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    Is the door to the outside patio always closed ?

    My suggestion with what you have posted - is to go back a few steps in the toilet training and take her out at regular intervals - be with her all the time out there and praise when she goes.

    Maybe also have a look at this thread from this forum - which will explain the different stages a pup goes through:

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/puppy-dis...-calendar.html

    As far as crates are concerned - I class them as a godsend - and definitely not cruel. All my pups have been sleeping in crates up to about 6 or so months old.

    So maybe rethink the idea of crates. If she won't do her business in the crate, then you are on the winning side. You just have to get the rest of it OK !

    Good Luck !

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    Thanks RileyJ. I will go back to going outside with her... Yeah, the door is always open, and the dog door is on the other side of the balcony on the other door too.

    We always praise her when she goes outside, and give her treats too, but maybe I need to go back to going outside, just to make sure she does it in the right place.

    We were using the crate of a night time, but she whines alot, and wants to get up 7 or 8 times during the night to either wee or play (I think its an attention thing). Since we don't mind having her in the bed it doesn't really bother us... She only gets up once during the night now, and during the night, I always get up with her and take her out to wee, whether she prompts me or not. It just means my quality of sleep is better (selfish I know) but it works for us.

    Thanks for the puppy stages. Very interesting and very helpful

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    I suspect that the smart little miss is learning very quickly how to play you! I have always crated my puppies right next to my bed, or put them in a snug box so if I need to I can reach in and settle them or talk to them, I can. I wee them once during the night and they soon learn to relax and sleep.

    Dogs are not humans and as much as we love them they need to understand boundaries. It is better for them and helps to reduce having to get behaviourists in. You can love a dog as I do all mine but priveleges are earnt. If you dont set boundaries, believe me they will start to set their own and test all of yours. You just have to be consistant. You sometimes have to put up with a bit of whining at night as they learn the rules. I have a friend who failed to set these boundaries with a little papillion and she started peeing on the bed and generally playing up particularly if left alone.

    Also it is pointless being mad all day at a puppy. Suck it up, move on and blame yourself. It is your job to train the puppy. She has no idea why you are mad at her. Just patiently continue training and being consistant and accept that these things will happen for a good while longer and work your way through the solutions.
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    Just an update... I got the doona out of the dryer last night, put it in the doona cover. Placed it on the bed and she jumped straight up, and peed on the other blanket we had on the bed.

    She lost her treat of sleeping in the bed, and she was in the crate last night. The crate is always next to the bed when we put her in there. She whined non stop, i took her out about 9 times last night, half the time she didn't need/ want to go to the toilet no matter how long I waited, so I decided after she went the last time to just tell her to go to sleep. It took a few goes, but we got there.

    Thing is, I like having her in the bed... This is mummy and Slink cuddle time, so I was really disappointed when i needed to take that away.

    When I say I was mad at her, it's not like I was ignoring her, she was still allowed to sit on my lap, and I still played with her but she knew mummy was not impressed by her behaviour.

    Here is hoping today is better. Getting her is seriously the best decision I have ever made, so I just want to make sure I am doing everything right for the both of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabspeanut View Post
    Just an update... I got the doona out of the dryer last night, put it in the doona cover. Placed it on the bed and she jumped straight up, and peed on the other blanket we had on the bed.

    She lost her treat of sleeping in the bed, and she was in the crate last night. The crate is always next to the bed when we put her in there. She whined non stop, i took her out about 9 times last night, half the time she didn't need/ want to go to the toilet no matter how long I waited, so I decided after she went the last time to just tell her to go to sleep. It took a few goes, but we got there.

    Thing is, I like having her in the bed... This is mummy and Slink cuddle time, so I was really disappointed when i needed to take that away.

    When I say I was mad at her, it's not like I was ignoring her, she was still allowed to sit on my lap, and I still played with her but she knew mummy was not impressed by her behaviour.

    Here is hoping today is better. Getting her is seriously the best decision I have ever made, so I just want to make sure I am doing everything right for the both of us.
    Remember that you are going to have her for a long time. There is plenty of time for her to one day come up on your bed with you. Probably as a baby puppy it is just not the best timing. I dont allow it with my puppies but as adults they have been known to lie on the bed with me. But they are nicely behaved and would dream of peeing on it. Puppies just are unreliable, it what puppies do untill they really get it.

    She doesnt know specifically what you are not impressed with, maybe immediately it happened but they dont remember past that. That is why you need to move on and and do some positive training with her. Everytime she does something right praise her. It is all about the timing. You have to capture specific behaviours immediately and reinforce or discourage them. Remember in the long run a well trained dog is much more lovable and easy to give priveleges to than a spoilt brat.

    I wouldnt be getting up 9 times during the night. I would get up maybe 3 times. The more you reinforce her by taking her out of her crate the more she will understand that this is what will happen. You could get a deep box so that if she wakes during the night you can just put your hand in there for a few seconds, sometimes this will settle them, otherwise you will just have to tough it out or you will continue reinforcing the behaviour.

    She is a baby and like all babies there is hard work involved, it is just the way of the young. There is a lot for them to learn and you have to be fair and consistant and get your timing right, a couple of seconds either way and you could be rewarding them for something that you dont even know you are rewarding them for.

    Is there a dog club close by that does obedience classes? If you can find a good one they can be really helpful and it is fun for the dogs.

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    Thanks Kalacreek... I know I will have her for a long long time, but I loves her so much and love our little cuddles

    We have been through puppy pre-school, but I will see if there are any clubs around.

    I wasn't expecting it to be a breeze. I know it is hard work, I am just trying to understand how it all works. This is my first puppy, I never had one growing up.

    She has been super good today, no accidents at all, snuggles on the couch with a blankie all day.

    Thanks for all your advice

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