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    I was wondering if anyone had some tips on how to "less excite"a dog when about to go out for a walk?
    The dog in question if it has any inclination that he is about to go for his walk goes nuts!
    Weather he is inside at the time or outside, he starts running uncontrollably around, makes whining noises, runs at you to put his collar on, sits on command for approx 5 seconds (if lucky) and then is off again. Utterly over excited and ridiculous behaviour.
    I cant say the word walk even in a general conversation (even if we aren't going for a walk) let alone when we are!
    Let him hear his collar or lead or even replenishing the poo bags or getting the bag we normally take with us before the behaviour starts.
    I have tried so many things, but to no avail.
    Once out the front door and with in a few minutes, normality sets in and we are fine.
    Except that he seems to know where every other dog in the neighborhood lives, starts crying/howling a house before hand and then stops again about the next house past?
    Even one of the other dogs pushes him when he does this as if to say, "shut up" that is not what you should be doing!
    He apart from these annoying traits is well mannered, well socialised and a obedient happy pooch, that fits well in our family since we have had him.
    He took approx 9 months for him to start to settle into us when we 1st got him, and yes it had taken a while for him to trust us and his surrounds, but we have had him 3 yrs now and for love or money I cannot get this burst of complete uncontrollable behaviour out of him?
    "No amount of time can erase the memory of a good dog or cat, and no amount of masking tape can ever totally remove their fur from your couch"

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    I think you need a session with a really good trainer to help your problem. He's severely over anxious about the whole process and you need help turning it around because it's at such a high level now. What state are you in, we can make recommendations?

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    I have tried so many things, but to no avail.
    Here is the key and you haven't given us any details.

    So clearly the dog LOVES going for a walk. So anything that he does before a walk - that you then reward by taking him for a walk gets incorporated in his training of you to take him for a walk... From his point of view.

    So what I would do - is work out what I want him to do instead and ask him to do that before I pick up the collar or clip the lead on. And anything else I'd like him to be good at that he's currently not so hot with - I'd ask for that too.

    I'm thinking what you'd most like is some calm behaviour? Ask for a sit or a drop. If he can't do it, go do something that makes it really obvious you're not going for a walk right this second, and try again in five minutes. Don't ask for much the first time - build up to the end behaviour you want in little bits, and you may blow walk time with him the first couple of days but long term it would be worth it.

    Everything he does - think about what you might be doing that is rewarding it and thereby encouraging it. Pay attention to what you do that gets him more excited. Those things are rewarding to him. Letting him approach an exciting house, when he's behaving badly (not how you want) - will only reward and encourage him. I would try getting more distance or turning around and walking the other way when he starts to show signs of excitement, until he can get to that house being all calm. Your walks with him are going to be weird but it's amazing how fast dogs will adjust their behaviour to get what they really want.

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    Thanks Nekhbet, I might have to try that track again.
    Hyancith: I usually try the sit, drop but he is So over the top. He does it but just cant stay there for more than a second or two. We have tried every thing known to man including having spent big bucks on a behaviorist and trainer who after 12 visits suggested calming meds.
    Not the way I wanted to go and didn't.
    He doesn't exhibit these over the top behaviours any other time except before a walk and the howling during the walk.
    For nearly 2months I didn't get past the house 2 doors up from me. I think the neighbours thought I was mad. We spent our time turning around till he stopped then turning around again, which he would immediately start howling again, then we would turn around again and again. My fault because after nearly 2 months of absolute no difference. I just kept walking one day because no one was enjoying anything and I completely ignore him now and just keep walking.
    Not good I know and I should no better!
    I have never had training issues with any of my dogs before and I struggle admitting I just cant seem to eliminate this behaviour and have even tried outside help with no avail.
    Though saying this he did have lots of bad manners and other behavioural issues in the past (from the time we got him) and has over time completely over come them.
    Just not these.
    Thanks for the suggestions and I will keep persevering..
    pch
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    Hyancith: I usually try the sit, drop but he is So over the top. He does it but just cant stay there for more than a second or two
    You take your second or two - and see if you can get two or three seconds the next time, then one second, then three seconds... build up gradually. Gawd but I can see why you just gave up. Hard to keep going when you can't see the progress. Sometimes my dog gets it immediately, and sometimes she takes ages for the lights to come on, and I'm so surprised when that happens.

    I guess this would be an example of positive re-inforcement gone wrong that Nekhbet was talking about hard to re-train in the other thread.
    http://www.dogforum.com.au/dog-train...unishment.html

    I think I have accidentally trained my dog to fake trying to eat the lawnmower man. Now she doesn't get to say hello to him at all, because I can't get him to behave - he winds her up and she gets so excited. And I can't risk her giving him attention seeking nips. And I certainly can't get any kind of calm sit stay out of her when he's around unless she's inside the house. Which is a start but I think it's going to take a while to undo my previous (accidental) rewarding of not-calm behaviour.

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    Sometimes my dog gets it immediately, and sometimes she takes ages for the lights to come on, and I'm so surprised when that happens.
    This I am relating too so much with this guy. There has been times over the last couple of years when I have thought, Nope! he is never going to get this concept/command and then out of the blue. Bingo! And I am so pleased for him ( and me)
    I am just going to hope that some where down the track, we will see some sort of light bulb moment going off inside him with these particular issues.

    I admit I had only read bits and pieces of Nekhbet thread but I am about to settle down with a cuppa and do some intensive reading from start to finish.

    Cheers
    pch
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    I have a screamer.
    and share your pain, in some instances, quite literally been in pain, from a spinning, leaping idiot dog that has just seen me move my gumboots, never mind reach for a lead.
    This really is a shaping exercise. Those 2 seconds of success, lead to 3 seconds etc etc, and its soooo low progress.
    Move forward 5 yrs, my dog will sit trembling with excitement, waiting for the walk, he'll sit there, whilst i take the lead down and clip it on, i drag it out even further, by gathering balls, bags, my other dog etc. still he sits there waiting.
    Till i move toward the door, and he bolts/lunges, so we do all the above in reverse and i sit back down.

    This kinda training, is really boring and painstaking.
    And in 5 yrs of hard effort, i have success 80% of the time, providing:
    sherlock pup is not around, nobody else is coming on the walk, its not windy, its not raining, he's been walked day before, the 3 bordercollies are not out the back etc etc
    If i have the pup staying for the day, i dont use leashes, coz im lazy.
    No silly dog without the leash. So i dumped the leash. Because i live where i can
    Good luck!~

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    I have a screamer.
    and share your pain, in some instances, quite literally been in pain, from a spinning, leaping idiot dog that has just seen me move my gumboots, never mind reach for a lead.
    Yes! This is it exactly.
    5yrs!! As everyone has said it is a slow process and we, like yourself and others will keep going at it.
    I have never given up on any of my guys and this one will be no exception.
    I agree, Every second achieved is better than none and I feel more comfortable now within myself knowing others are or would take roughly the same outlook and training methods that I personally feel are better suited this particular guys issues and my needs.
    It funny how you sometimes just need that reassurance or a stick poked at you to say, "hey have you thought of another direction maybe"?
    Thanks for the input, yours as with others given here whether they have responded directly or I have read their views, idealism, expertise on other threads here have been very informative not just to this question/dilemma I posed.
    But also with some other informative and invaluable input I have personally taken on board in all sorts of areas pertaining to my needs, questions or interests from various other threads here.

    Cheers
    pch
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 04-29-2013 at 11:32 AM. Reason: fix the quote
    "No amount of time can erase the memory of a good dog or cat, and no amount of masking tape can ever totally remove their fur from your couch"

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    'pawsclawshooves' - remember - that all of us here on this forum - had to start somewhere and we all started with our 'own first pup' with varying degrees of success !

    So ask all of the questions that you like - there are no silly or stupid questions - only the ones you don't ask !

    Do you do any training in your own yard? With all my pups - I started off training in the house. Then progressed to the yard, then out into the street. Doing it this way - was to increase the level of distraction for the pup in manageable stages.

    Maybe this could be something you could look at doing with your pup!

    The message I am getting from your posts very clearly - is that you haven't given up !
    So heaps of kudos to you and keep up the good work!
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    Undoing learnt behavior is one of the hardest tasks in dog training. You need to desensitize the dog to the stimulas that sets him off and this will take a long time and needs a ton of patience.
    You need to pick up the lead/collar, move it, and put it down, then walk away and let the dog calm down, As soon as he is calm, reward him for being calm. A pat will do.
    Gradually build up the amount of moveing you do with the lead/collar and reward him whenever he is calm. When you have him calm whilst holding the lead/collar, you can now start working on getting him to stay in a sit. If he breaks, put the lead down and walk away. It becomes his choice - stay calm and walk, or play up and no walk.
    If you need more info on this system, google "curing seperation anxiety" and replace anxiety with excitment.
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