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    Thanks so much for the encouraging words Riley I know you weren't having a go at me before! If its all done right, having sadie come over for a few days is going to be really good for Koda Not to mention i get puppy kisses, she is a really sweet pup, and she wasn't phased by Koda at all, by that i mean that she wasn't fearful or aggressive back, she was just neutral!

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    Always meet the new dog on neutral territory ie a park none of the dogs visit often enough to think of as theirs. Ideally an on lead space so you don't get greeted by other dogs who do think of the park as theirs.

    Let the dogs eye each other from a distance, put the most confident and friendly one in a drop and allow the most nervous one to approach or not in its own time with a loose lead. If the lead goes tight - walk away. Do not allow dog to drag up with a tight lead to another dog... I will take my confident friendly dog away when that happens. She doesn't like getting stomped on and will stand up for herself then which undoes all the good work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
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    Always meet the new dog on neutral territory ie a park none of the dogs visit often enough to think of as theirs. Ideally an on lead space so you don't get greeted by other dogs who do think of the park as theirs.

    Let the dogs eye each other from a distance, put the most confident and friendly one in a drop and allow the most nervous one to approach or not in its own time with a loose lead. If the lead goes tight - walk away. Do not allow dog to drag up with a tight lead to another dog... I will take my confident friendly dog away when that happens. She doesn't like getting stomped on and will stand up for herself then which undoes all the good work...
    Yeah i know i should have done all that, hence why i said i regret doing what i did. I know all about introducing dogs together cause i researched all that before i got Koda cause i didn't know how to introduce Dodge to a pup. However it was pretty impossible in that situation to achieve that cause my property is huge and our dogs 'own' all of it, and there was no where near us that is neutral territory and has the room to let dogs meet each other.

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    C'mon 'maddogdodge' - stop being so defensive and apologetic ! Koda knows this - really and truly - and feeds off your stress ! So - cut it out !

    'Hyacinth' - What was the ‘Sigh’ for ?

    I agree with the following to a point – but I prefer just walking in an area where we won’t come across any off lead dogs. Even just walking up and down my street works well !

    Always meet the new dog on neutral territory ie a park none of the dogs visit often enough to think of as theirs. Ideally an on lead space so you don't get greeted by other dogs who do think of the park as theirs.
    But the rest ? Double Sigh !

    'maddogdodge' - said that the pup was a 5 month old female GR. So, what you have suggested further in your post – just won’t work here !

    'maddogdodge' - when the pup arrives – I would suggest that everyone – including all pups which must be on lead – go for a walk in the paddock that you mentioned. Short/long lead – whatever you all are comfortable with – and just walk around.

    Suss it out as to how close you walk – but make it a fun time for everyone - especially for the pups !
    Good Luck and I would love to see some photos of this little pup ! smiley-eatdrink004.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    C'mon 'maddogdodge' - stop being so defensive and apologetic ! Koda knows this - really and truly - and feeds off your stress ! So - cut it out !

    'Hyacinth' - What was the ‘Sigh’ for ?

    I agree with the following to a point – but I prefer just walking in an area where we won’t come across any off lead dogs. Even just walking up and down my street works well !


    But the rest ? Double Sigh !

    'maddogdodge' - said that the pup was a 5 month old female GR. So, what you have suggested further in your post – just won’t work here !

    'maddogdodge' - when the pup arrives – I would suggest that everyone – including all pups which must be on lead – go for a walk in the paddock that you mentioned. Short/long lead – whatever you all are comfortable with – and just walk around.

    Suss it out as to how close you walk – but make it a fun time for everyone - especially for the pups !
    Good Luck and I would love to see some photos of this little pup ! smiley-eatdrink004.gif
    Defensive/apolagetic is just my nature, sorry about that... Oh whoops... nope i'm not sorry

    Sounds like good advice, i'll see how things go, thanks
    And you'll get photos of Sadie when she comes over in a week or so
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    On another note... what a horrible New Years Eve i've had

    We had a small gathering of people come over to celebrate, which was fine, i told everyone to just ignore Koda and not approach him in his yard, which was fine. He was barking a bit and because i was busy talking to people, i gave him a Kong to keep him occupied, which worked well.

    Around 10 minutes before mid-night I decided to put Dodge in Koda's yard so that she wouldn't run from any fireworks people had going off. Only problem is that i had forgotten that Koda had his Kong. But before tonight i didn't think he'd react like he did regarding an empty Kong... Both Dodge and Koda are food aggressive with other animals (they're totally fine with people) so they are always fed separately.
    Anyway, I led Dodge through the gate into his yard and then i started locking the gate to head back to the party, when all of the sudden Koda is just mauling Dodge!! I've never seen them fight like this before, they've had the odd scuffle over food scraps but nothing like what i saw tonight! When Dodge and Koda fight (which isn't often at all) i usually just wait until they stop and i separate them, however i waited for about 5-7 seconds thinking they would have stopped by then, but Koda was getting more and more aggressive. I entered his yard and yelled at him in a deep voice (at this point Koda was on top of Dodge biting her) And thankfully he stopped, Dodge ran to the other side of the yard... I'm not exactly sure what i should have done in this situation, but what i did do was grab Koda's collar, push him to the ground and I just held him on the ground for a few minutes. I actually had him lying there without me even touching him because he knew that if he moved before i told him he could, then i would just put him back again. I let him up after a while, gave him a quick pat and then addressed Dodge. I took her straight into the laundry with both my parents, mum cleaned her up while i comforted her. She has a few small puncture wounds on her body but she has a big gash on her left ear which was bleeding like crazy!! After she was cleaned up, we left her in the laundry for the rest of the party. At this point i still didn't know what had set Koda off like that, it really shocked everyone because no- one thought he would do such an unexpected thing to his only dog friend!! I hunted around in his yard with a torch and eventually found the Kong not too far from where the fight happened, so i'm thinking that he thought she was going for his Kong and he just lashed out.
    Mum said to also take into account that he has had a day with quite a few things sending him over thresh-hold so he could have just been not thinking straight and also it was very dark so he could have possibly thought it wasn't Dodge... but i reckon he would have smelt her and known it was her. I guess we'll never know...
    For now, Koda is in his yard, and Dodge is happy snuggled in her kennel after receiving a special second dinner (We're trying to put weight on her because she has lost a fair bit of weight lately) I presume things will be fine tomorrow, but i think i'll have Koda on lead when i let him out... just in case.

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    I would ask the other owner if you could do some training on neutral territory first, if possible.

    I think the exercises that I did with the behavioural trainer with Banjo would work well for a situation like this. We walked our dogs parallel to each other. I blocked Banjo if she tried to turn to face the dog until she looked away, then continued walking up and down. You'd probably have to start this at a fairly big distance with Koda. Then gradually decrease the distance.

    You may be able to come up with some variations on this. But I think the key is to take it slowly. The idea is that Koda gets to have lots of short experiences of being near the other dog without feeling stressed.

    What I now do with Banjo - who never was as reactive as your Koda - with calling her away after sniffing a strange dog for 5 seconds works on the same principle. She has now had lots of experiences with greetings that didn't end up in threatening behaviour from either party because they're simply not being given enough time for it to reach that stage. I don't call her off as a form of time out. I do it to get her to stop while she's winning.

    It would take a fair bit of time to follow a method like that with Koda. I get your idea of letting him get over his initial stress by himself by letting him see the other dog through the fence and I think I probably use similar methods quite regularly with my pets. But it is more like flooding which probably has a more limited effect compared to BAT methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I would ask the other owner if you could do some training on neutral territory first, if possible.

    I think the exercises that I did with the behavioural trainer with Banjo would work well for a situation like this. We walked our dogs parallel to each other. I blocked Banjo if she tried to turn to face the dog until she looked away, then continued walking up and down. You'd probably have to start this at a fairly big distance with Koda. Then gradually decrease the distance.

    You may be able to come up with some variations on this. But I think the key is to take it slowly. The idea is that Koda gets to have lots of short experiences of being near the other dog without feeling stressed.

    What I now do with Banjo - who never was as reactive as your Koda - with calling her away after sniffing a strange dog for 5 seconds works on the same principle. She has now had lots of experiences with greetings that didn't end up in threatening behaviour from either party because they're simply not being given enough time for it to reach that stage. I don't call her off as a form of time out. I do it to get her to stop while she's winning.

    It would take a fair bit of time to follow a method like that with Koda. I get your idea of letting him get over his initial stress by himself by letting him see the other dog through the fence and I think I probably use similar methods quite regularly with my pets. But it is more like flooding which probably has a more limited effect compared to BAT methods.
    I did a similar thing to that in my video that i posted at the start of this thread. However he isn't aggressive in that video. I wish i could film what Koda is like with bigger dogs so you guys could actually see what he does... and the sound he makes... gosh its loud... imagine a deep aggressive barking/growling sound mixed with the high pitched screaming a Husky often makes.
    I'll speak to the owner about it and see how things go
    I think i'm also going to have him wear his ThunderShirt when he meets the pup next time because of all the dogs he has met, we have had the most success when he was wearing his ThunderShirt...now that could have just been a coincidence, but i'd like to test that.
    My comment about letting him get over the initial stress was basically just meaning that he's not a dog to just scream constantly until the dog leaves... so he will calm down after a while
    Over the long run I think i'll be able to achieve what you're saying with the short experiences, by walking him through town. If i don't do what i did with the BC, and i just keep walking then it should be good.

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    How is Dodge today ? Keep an eye on her wounds to make sure they don't get infected.

    How are Koda and Dodge today ? Still niggles - or friends again ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    How is Dodge today ? Keep an eye on her wounds to make sure they don't get infected.

    How are Koda and Dodge today ? Still niggles - or friends again ?
    Dodge is okay today, her wounds are clean and looking good, they are a bit tender though. She was very snuggly this morning, I spent most of the morning sitting on the back deck with Dodge on my lap while i was using my laptop
    I was expecting her to be a bit reluctant approaching Koda, but she was very keen to play with him. Koda wasn't allowed out this morning because dad needed to leave the gates open so he could do work, but Dodge and Koda were playing and chasing each other through the fence for ages They're both totally fine now!!

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