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    Recently I joined my local All breeds club because I wanted to socialize my new rescue GSD Chloe, who has only started walking on a lead a month ago. The very first night in beginners (two weeks ago) the "Instructor" started teaching all the commands at once, Chloe simply couldn't cope with all the people and dogs and just tried to pull away and I couldn't even get her to sit.

    About halfway through both Chloe and I had enough and I asked someone why do they try to teach everything in one night, I was told they don't as they just show you what you will be learning. The very next week was the same bloody thing how the hell do they expect a pup let alone a rescue who a few months ago had never been in a house to learn all these commands at once.

    I haven't done obedience training for many years but have never experienced this sort of crap before, is this something new or do other clubs do the same.... I would like to hear your views on this.
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    Teaching anything in manageable bites is common sense. Training is about steps towards success, sounds like an inexperienced person. Up to you if you persevere sounds annoying to me.

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    On the first night I said "sit Chloe sit" this Instructor says "we only say sit once" Chloe was freaking out and trying to get away and this clown says "control your dog" so after this I walked away because I was worn out. Another person who was not an Instructor asked what was wrong and I told her and she said she rescues another breed and rescues are much harder to train than dogs raised from pups.

    She told me It will take up to 6 mths just for her to bond with me, I said that I don't except her to do much and was there to socialize her which is most important as she has never been with other dogs.
    On the second night I said to Chloe "come on Chloe try to do this" the same Instructor says "we don't use sentences because dogs don't understand sentences" I then snapped and said "Mate this dog is a rescue, I've only had her a short time and she's only started to walk on a lead a month ago" but this clown just walked away.

    What I don't understand is why the club doesn't teach the Instructors how to handle and help people with rescue dogs as well as normal dogs as one of the Instructors is involved in rescue, I wonder what's going to happen next.
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    OP,

    You need to find another club. Look for one that uses positive reward training methods because the basics of this method is always taken in small steps.

    Also remember that you do not take your dog to a training club to train the dog once a week. Training is done at home, on a daily basis, and the club is only there to show you how to do it and to help you where you need it.

    How fast the dog learns depends entirely on how much work you put into the training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    What I don't understand is why the club doesn't teach the Instructors how to handle and help people with rescue dogs as well as normal dogs as one of the Instructors is involved in rescue, I wonder what's going to happen next.
    Because generally clubs are run by volunteers and they aren't equipped with the same knowledge experience or skills as a reputable behaviourist. The vast majority of Instructors aren't Behaviour specialists, they are volunteers who often don't have much experience outside of training their own dogs in obedience not Behaviour modification.

    It sounds like a fairly typical club to me and while the instructor should acknowledge they can't assist you as it's out of their experience nothing you've written surprised me. It sounds like your dog needs some one on one work with a reputable behavioirist, they can show you to how to manage her and improve her Behaviour. I wouldn't go back to this class. You won't get what you need out of it.

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    Maybe the rescue organisations can put you in touch with an experienced handler. There is a good book, can't find the link here but someone reading may recall.
    I go to a trainer running their own business, costs but not unreasonable in a group of 5 to 10. She has a border collie and is very conversant with the temperament which has been VERY helpful.She also trains other breeds of course and I have discovered works one on one in situations like yours until the dogs are ready for a group class.
    Your GSD has particular needs so someone who has that knowledge is what you are after of course. Good on you for the whole journey, I wish you well. Keep us posted as you may well be assisting the next person in that position.
    I always like to hear how rescues progress.

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    Thanks guys for the reply's,

    Bec,

    You are correct, club is run by volunteers and I doubt this "Instructor" has ever owned a rescue or a GSD, maybe good at teaching sit, drop, stand, stay etc but when it comes to dogs like mine has no Idea at all.
    Chloe doesn't have Behavior problems as such, she is a dog that's never been exposed to other dogs and people before. In her short life she was dumped in the pound at about 6 mths, from there GSD rescue placed her in a boarding kennel then to foster care for a few days and then to me.
    In the 4 mths that I've had Chloe she is now house trained (now comes and tells me when she wants to go wee wee) has house manners and knows sit and drop from sit position (with treaties of cause) and is walking on a lead with head collar (as she pulls) so she's come a very long way in a short time and when she starts to mature from 14 mths to 18 mths she's going to be a very good dog.

    farrview,

    Two people who rescue GSD's are members of this club and say give her time, which is exactly what I want to do but can't get this Instructor to understand this and my main reason for joining this club was socialization. I don't care if Chloe is in beginners for 6 mths, as I can teach her these commands myself. I have raised two GSDs and both went to obedience training run be the GSDL, Tara loved training and couldn't wait to get there but Rex who is now 10 yrs old couldn't care less. Both also went to All breeds training to socialize them with other breeds, which is what I want for Chloe. Had I not owned a GSD before I might have taken her back, but as I know what monsters they are as pups I know with plenty of work, patience and love she will turn out fine in the end fingers crossed.

    I love GSDs but they are not for every one, especially the lowlife who had Chloe and kept her in the backyard with no training and when she got too big to handle dumped her in the pound and the sad thing is there are many more just like her. I will keep every one posted as to what happens next.

    P.S. forgot to mention this club doesn't even have a break, one hour of solid training..... must ask why next time I go.
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    It is in her eyes, just gorgeous.
    The book I was talking about is about rescues and retraining them.. darn just can't remember the title, didn't apply to me.

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    I would go to another club also. It sounds like you just got unlucky with the trainer. He sounds like a patronising so and so. I can't see what value you can get from his input. You are right, you can do the basic commands training and it appears to be all he can offer and in a very unhelpful way on top of that.

    It's a shame they don't just have 'socialising classes'! Like a dog park, but with guidance on careful introductions and strict rules about keeping dogs under control, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    Thanks guys for the reply's,

    Bec,

    You are correct, club is run by volunteers and I doubt this "Instructor" has ever owned a rescue or a GSD, maybe good at teaching sit, drop, stand, stay etc but when it comes to dogs like mine has no Idea at all.
    Chloe doesn't have Behavior problems as such, she is a dog that's never been exposed to other dogs and people before. In her short life she was dumped in the pound at about 6 mths, from there GSD rescue placed her in a boarding kennel then to foster care for a few days and then to me.
    In the 4 mths that I've had Chloe she is now house trained (now comes and tells me when she wants to go wee wee) has house manners and knows sit and drop from sit position (with treaties of cause) and is walking on a lead with head collar (as she pulls) so she's come a very long way in a short time and when she starts to mature from 14 mths to 18 mths she's going to be a very good dog.
    She sounds like a lovely dog but with her background taking her to a badly run obedience class could make her a lot worse. It would be rare to find a volunteer instructor with the experience or skill to assist you. The one that is running your current class doesn't sound like someone with the correct experience or knowledge to help you.

    P.S. forgot to mention this club doesn't even have a break, one hour of solid training..... must ask why next time I go.
    Again that is a really common format run by most obedience clubs. Why do you want to go back when you have so many issues with how it is run and you know it's not working for you or Chloe? I'd definitely recommend looking for a better club or private trainer.

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