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    Firstly the reason I'm going back is I've paid till June ( you have to pay up front ) so after that I'll look else where, maybe GSDL training again anyway I don't have to go every week. A private trainer is not an option as she needs to be in a group of people and dogs as she is very fearful of strange new things and open spaces.

    I took Chloe to the vet this morning to have her claws clipped as she will not let me clip them now, up until a month ago she would (figure that out) I had to drag her in as she wouldn't walk in. Well she bit the vet twice without warning and had to wear a muzzle. The vet said she's a very scared little girl and thinks something has happened to her in her past, who knows. Maybe it's because she's never been socialized or been to the vets before that I now have these problems, at home she's not aggressive and I can put my hand in her food bowl or take her toys away with no problems at all....so it could be worse.
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    I guess you can go on your own terms. It's not a popularity contest, so if the trainer gets irritated it's their problem. If you stay on the outer circle you can do what seems appropriate for your dog and not bother others.
    Getting there a bit early may help with the socialisation aspect as the people tend to stand around waiting for the class to start, an opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    Firstly the reason I'm going back is I've paid till June ( you have to pay up front ) so after that I'll look else where, maybe GSDL training again anyway I don't have to go every week. A private trainer is not an option as she needs to be in a group of people and dogs as she is very fearful of strange new things and open spaces.
    A good behaviourist will show you how to implement a behaviour modification plan to improve her behaviour in those circumstances, I would definitely think hard about whether these classes are going to help her or make her worse. You definitely don't want the problem to worsen!

    I took Chloe to the vet this morning to have her claws clipped as she will not let me clip them now, up until a month ago she would (figure that out) I had to drag her in as she wouldn't walk in. Well she bit the vet twice without warning and had to wear a muzzle. The vet said she's a very scared little girl and thinks something has happened to her in her past, who knows. Maybe it's because she's never been socialized or been to the vets before that I now have these problems, at home she's not aggressive and I can put my hand in her food bowl or take her toys away with no problems at all....so it could be worse.
    Reading the above I would definitely recommending getting a professional assessment. It's good she's not aggressive with food or toys, but if she is fear aggressive it is things, people, dogs etc that she isn't familiar with that will trigger a reaction from her.

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    You need to find another club. Look for one that uses positive reward training methods because the basics of this method is always taken in small steps.
    I'm not a positive dog school, but all my clients are set achievable goals and individually planned. Go watch a school first before you join, if they don't let you or you dont like what you see move on.

    Dogman get in touch with Pet Resorts Australia run by Steve Austin and see how they can help you, maybe at least a first one on one session and recommend a good school for your dog.

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    Thanks for the advice guys, have made some progress as the problem was the instructor (I knew that) he wasn't there last week and we got a different instructor who treated everyone like people and not robots and morons.

    With the new instructor Chloe was still stressed and after speaking to the president of the club, it was suggested Chloe be placed in a higher class with more stable dogs as Chloe was picking up on the other dogs fear etc and was freaking out even more. I've done obedience before so I know the commands, but because Chloe is a rescue it's going to take much longer and much more patience....anyway will let everyone know what happens.
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    Hi Dogman

    How long a dog takes to bond with you, depends more on you and the dog - not whether it was a puppy or a rescue. Some rescues are really quick to bond with new owners. For me - I think it took 14 months (and a better training regime than my dog club had to offer), and my dog was a 12 week old puppy when I got her. I think if you're using fun based methods - fun for you and the dog - it shouldn't take more than a month. Susan Garrett has a book out called "Ruff Love" which describes a "nothing in life is free" (NILIF) and game based method for training rescues and puppies. Ie you restrict their access to doing unwanted behaviour and encourage what you do want.

    My problem was - I was trying "old school" methods using a lot of punishment and aversives (things my dog found unpleasant) to discourage behaviour (and bonding with me), instead of more reward based encouraging confidence building fun stuff.

    It was crap for both of us. But in among the yank and crank instructors, were some reward based instructors. In our club - the agility side is very strong on reward based training. Stuff like scolding and YELLING "NO" at your dog will get you expelled from competition. Seems just fine on the obedience side.

    I think - haven't been there, only had instructors from there, that our dances with dogs people are very reward based too. You could look for a dances with dogs club and see what methods they use.

    But bottom line - if you find the instructor at club is making you or your dog uncomfortable - go look around at the other instructors and ask one whose style you like - how to get what you need and try not to bitch too much about the first instructor. Just say the methods suggested aren't working for you. It's really important not to let a "clown" near your dog. Just because you spent money and they're the instructor - doesn't mean you have to do what they say. Eg yanking dog around by the neck. Don't do it.

    Our grade one class was "watch me, heel and sit" - you can imagine we were both bored well before the end of class. The main purpose of being there, was to learn to pay attention to me in a very distracting environment. My dog just loves to say hello to everybody and their dogs.

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    That instructor sounds like they will do more damage than good.

    If you are mostly looking to socialise you dog...I have seen a few ads online for dog play groups where the owners meet up at parks and have coffee while the dogs are together...both on and off leash depending on the group. Another options I considered was a dog daycare. Not to leave you dog there but one day a week you and your dog can go together and it allows her to socialise with other balanced dogs. I did this with my little moodle who had little dog syndrome. We would go once a week and she would play with the other dogs. I was always with her but I knew she was in a safe environment.

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    I know this thread is old,
    but ive been re reading it. And noticed something....
    "In the 4 mths that I've had Chloe she is now house trained (now comes and tells me when she wants to go wee wee) has house manners and knows sit and drop from sit position (with treaties of cause) and is walking on a lead with head collar (as she pulls) so she's come a very long way in a short time and when she starts to mature from 14 mths to 18 mths she's going to be a very good dog."

    Seriously love, what on earth do you need a club for?, you are doing brilliantly and clearly a team allready.
    If you cant train a GSD, you cant train dogs. I was told that once by a GSD breeder. Im not sure that's entirely true, but if you have the love of a GSD, you can train it. And i had the wonderful experience of meeting this trainer at the vets. I had my bernie, he had his 2 dogs, who were going nuts, up on hind legs, trying to get to bernie, who just led there, ignoring the stupid behaviour of the 2 clearly out of control dogs. Silly man.

    Id love to know how she is progressing now a little time has passed?

    Im sure dog training clubs are great for some folks. There is enough of them around to support folks volunteering collusion in this. though outside of agility id say nah to clubs. Not for me n mine.

    Same with Delta training for Pohm. $300 odd dollar to do the training, my dog allready has down pat. why not just test her now? im willing to risk the fee of testing. But no, they recommend their way. Whatever.
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    Thank you bernie for your kind words and I know it's been a while, so here's an update.

    I haven't taken Chloe to training for 3 wks as I wanted to take her for more walks and spend more one on one time with her. Chloe doesn't like obedience training,she bites and jumps at me when I try to get her to sit or walk with the other dogs ...but is fine when I take her for walks unless she sees another dog then she goes nuts.

    I don't care if she doesn't like training, as she was only going for socialization anyway. I know not all dogs like training, my GSD Tara loved it and couldn't wait to get to GSDL training... where my GSD Rex now 10 yrs old never liked it but reacted very differently to Chloe.

    I have made mistakes with Chloe expecting her to behave, react and to bond with me like Tara did... but she's not Tara. It's been 10 yrs since I've had a puppy and at 7.5 mths Chloe was an untrained wild monster and I found her very hard to handle... even though I'd raised two GSDs before. I was told by GSD rescue if you have any problems just phone or e mail me, but when I did several times... I was told I was complaining too much and if I can't handle or think she's too much...bring her back before she gets too old so she can bond with someone else.

    The thing I find very strange is when they advertise a dog they say " The successful candidate who adopts one of our dogs is provided with an information kit, ongoing support, training and advice on all aspects of feeding, training and general assistance to ensure both the new owner and our rescued dog settle into their home." yeah pull the other leg.

    One thing I have found to be true is... If you buy a puppy or older dog from a registered breeder or get one from rescue... your on your own, end of story.

    Chloe is now 12 mths old not as naughty and has improved, she will over the next few months start to mature (thank God) so we will see a very big change and I can't wait.
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    If you buy a puppy or older dog from a registered breeder or get one from rescue... your on your own, end of story
    I would say this is more true of getting puppies from pet shops or puppy farms.

    The people I know who have dogs from registered breeders - have had loads of support from their breeders and breed clubs. There are several training clubs started up for specific breeds, including GSDs especially - tho I'd avoid the one that meets at KCC park (Vic) - not the best dog training methods in evidence there.

    I think if one person at a rescue fobs you off, ask to speak with someone else. Both AWL and RSPCA here provide ongoing training classes if you want to go back out there, and lists of training available around the city. We could have gone to either for puppy preschool if we wanted. And I suspect they'd rather help an owner in trouble with training, than get the dog back.

    And the individuals I know involved in rescues independent of AWL and RSCPA - provide ongoing support to the people who take their dogs. Because they want those dogs to be in their forever homes too.

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