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    I have trouble sometimes "fading out treats" or rewarding only the best performance. Once the skill is learned (5 to 25 high value treats depending how fast a learner we've got), then only reward average or better performance and be prepared to put up with a bit of frustration when the treats start to dry up. Frustration comes out as barking, sniffing, zoomies, scratching, yawning (by the dog).

    I always carry high and low value treats. Eg low value - pat, praise, kibble. High value - game of chase the boss (not the dog), processed cheese, metwurst (like salami), steak...

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    Dock diving: had to go to a river with a bank (not near a pontoon here) but dock diving is speedy Pohm. And my god, she sinks into that water lol.
    This is the second time im attempting to put some speed into this rather laid back dog. Add water, and she's fine, add rabbits and she's fine, add me, and she's slow lol

    Treats. ah, well, ive done it again. She was food obsessed, but now when we are out, she wont eat, same as Bernie. Fine once we get back inside our fence and walk is over. But prior to that, not interested. So high value treat is her fave ball, low value treat is a tennis ball.

    Nev, this dog is as fit as a fiddle, just compared to working line GSD, comes accross as a tortoise.

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    LOL I was going to suggest that roast pork was a low-value treat for her, try her with a ball...ok you've worked that out already!

    Slow response - could be confusion or lack of motivation/drive or could be physical discomfort - a dog will ignore its pain when highly motivated. I would probably get her checked over by your vet, just to be 100% sure. Check for hip and patella expecially.

    Also you could see how she goes with a flirt pole game or tug as a reward - especially if the flirt starts as a rabbitskin or similiar.

    YOUR motivation is to meet the challenge of finding HER motivation - until you do, you two are just one big yawn circuit together and drain each other's enthusiasm.

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    "YOUR motivation is to meet the challenge of finding HER motivation - until you do, you two are just one big yawn circuit together and drain each other's enthusiasm."

    In a nutshell, right there!

    i got some video's done. What i see IS enthusiasm, for high rewards.
    and outside of that, back to "i am a mastiff" or "i am female"

    I think im trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. And im attempting to do so with a old, med drive owner.

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    One of my BC is a lot like that. When she runs with the others she is as fast as all of them. Put her on an agility course and its like she is dragging a sack of bricks.

    Took her to a frisby class and she loved it until she got tired or bored or whatever. Now she will chase and fetch 3 maybe 4 times before saying Thanks but no thanks, thats enough.

    Ruralpug beat me to mentioning the flirt pole. Use her instinctive prey drive to get her doing loops around you. With practice you should be able to stand almost on the spot whilst the dog runs her legs off.

    Also the pain thing could be a concern. Has she been checked for HD and patella issues? If she has not I would not use the flirt pole until she has been done because this puts tremendous strain on the joints.

    From a jump making point, all you need is a broom stick and something to rest it on. Make sure it can be dislodged so if the dog knocks it it does not stick and hurt them. I have used two kitchen chairs. You really only need one jump and train her to take the hurdle going away and coming back. Start out with the hurdle no higher than her elbow.
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    hey, we have success. Pohm is now wonderfully lit up for our morning walks. Training, a swim and some hunting.
    and on weekend, we took them to visit folks, she was calm sleepy dog. Brilliant. She kinda gets it now, that chasing balls is great fun! She is even occasionally getting the ball before bernie is, as ive set them against each other to see who gets there first to speed her up. She has a new ball of her own, a lit up glow ball of hardy rubber that is waterproof. She loves it.


    Asked Vet about pain, had Pohm led down for consult during her booster shot, so i could show him her getting up very slowly.
    He said that without xray, he could not say for sure about HD, but there does not appear to be any pain, nor injury. No restriction in movement. I have never thought she has pain, as she will get real fast now. Except when she's sleepy dog, then it takes ages to get up/down.
    eg. Dog food night, only dried food - takes a while to get off her arse. Feed time with leftovers, up like a shot!

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    You have two breeds worlds apart as you know, Pohm is bred with a lazy disposition for a reason and GSD's are a different kettle of fish. I know when I went from Kelpies to my Gordon, both intelligent breeds but soooo very different I struggled to comprehend the Gordons way of thinking and training, when I stopped wanting to train her the same way as my Kelpies I finally got results.

    I also struggled because working breeds are much more mature mentally than other breeds, afterall they are expect to earn their keep from a young age.

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    You are right Mac. Chalk n Cheese. But i didnt think i could manage 2 GSD's at the time. And was after a bordeaux rah rah rah.
    But, and here's the thing. Ive been trying to speed her up, light her up is the way i like to think of it. High rewards of food first began to drop off as being rewarding, the first sign she's working for another stimulus: movement and chase.
    So, when you mentioned Dock Diving. that got me thinking. Add water and have her jump off banks into water. See how far out she can jump. She loved it. Then, i get my new bike, and add speed into the mix. My god, there she is, speed, that was what i needed. Really exciting stuff.
    Bless her.
    We'll get there in the end me and pohm, its been a weird 1st year. But we are so lucky to have this natured dog.

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    I get you totally Bernie, reason I no longer have Kelpies is that I married into a ready made family and felt I couldn't give them the time and training they deserved. With my Kelpies they did as much obedience as they did showing, probably more.

    One of my girls was the Kelpie on the bank in the Oscar and Lucinda movie and another was in the Razamataz Pantihose Ad and things like that, dogs were my life. My Whippets are your Pohm, laid back but trainable certainly, they just don't have that driving need to have training, unless of course I wanted to lure them every day. Nor do I pay the consequences (torn up yard, etc) if I have a busy day or two like I used to.

    I think it's a good mix, Bernie gets what he has to have, and Pohm is happy to take up the slack. I think it's a shame more people can't realise that, I see so many working breeds going stir crazy for lack of their brain and body being drained on a regular basis.
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    Yes, we have 2 GSD's nearby. They have been spotted out x 1 with their owners since we moved here. Remainder of their days are as back yard ornaments. And the back yard is TRASHED.

    And id like to post this, just to get it off my chest. My brother in law, not my fave person at all for being a bullying mysoginist to his wife. They came over for fathers day lunch. Brought their 9 week old, most nervous pup ive met, staffy pup. I overhear him boasting to Mother in law.
    "ive taught the girls how hard to hit the pup on the nose" (girls: 3 and 7yrs)
    and a repeated red rag for me, that ive heard spew out of his mouth that needs a boot to it fast...
    "staffy's are great, you never have to walk them"

    so the inevitable happened. The 7yr old brat/girl hit bernie when he nabbed the dropped sausage. At which point, I asked the girl, in hearing point from BIL, "Dont EVER hit my dogs, smacking dogs is cruelty to animals", and "I have a different way of telling Bernie off, i tell him "in your bed". And got her to send to the food thief to his bed.

    This poor pup is destined to never be allowed out of its garden. Being left alone when they go away for w/e etc. Never walked, just like their other staffy. Animal cruelty is bad enough, seeing it in your own family is awful.

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