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    I have a 2 1/2 year old kelpie X irish wolf hound. i live on a small property and my dog is not fenced in. During the day this is not a problem as he will not wonder far and will stay around the house or follow us out into the paddocks, but always stays close. But as soon as the sun start to go down, he turns into a wolf and nothing i have done will make him come when i call him. he wonders up to 2 kilomteres away. he doesnt cause any trouble, but my main concern is other neighbours shooting him because from a distance he can easily be mistaken for a fox, even i have thought he was a fox a few times before. And the issue of him getting onto the main road. As i said, fencing is not an option becuase we just dont have the right house lay out. I can tie him up, however he just barks constantly all night, so we just keep him inside as soon as the sun goes down. But i would love for him to be able to go outside at night, as sometimes he wont wake me up when he needs to go to the toilet and does is it inside (i know this is not his fault). and when i have friends over and we are outside i would love for him to be out there with us, but he just runs off as soon as he gets the chance.
    Any tips on how i could help this would be great, and please dont say fencing, because that can not be done. And i do have my dogs safety at best intrest, hence why i keep him locked up inside at night.
    Thanks heaps

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    You've pretty much said all the options you can do... I'd just keep him inside at night. Set your alarm and take him outside on lead for his business and then he won't need to go till the morning anyway. Problem solved.
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    What about a dog run?

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    Or you could look at an invisible fence/collar as a containment system

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    If you are out there with him, perhaps a long line, I use a horse lunging line which is about 10 metres long.

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    Hi there EA, we have a similar scenario here as Snoopy is a pointerX and I was advised during his puppy days
    that I would need to confine him somewhat due to his hound tendencies.
    At night he is just inside no exceptions, ever.
    In summer he loves chasing cane toads so he does poop time at 8-9pm ON lead.
    I tell him to poop and he just does it. Big praise hugs and a treat.
    He is a happy dog, we have found ways to amuse him and give him the exercise he needs,
    and I learned how to do fencing by myself.(Not having a dig here, every property is different.)
    I may be able to one day let him free range (small property like you) but after a
    snake incident last year I cannot trust him - his instincts are too strong.
    Thank god he is not a jumper - he could clear the fences easily but chooses not to.
    Is this a possibility with your dog (thinking Kelpie here)?

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    I can't imagine owning a dog and not having fencing. I live on 5 acres, and when we moved in the first thing that had to happen was fencing, star pickets, wire and mesh tied to it. We haven't fenced the whole 5 acres just a house yard of 1.5 acres.

    I also have a dog run.

    If you won't fence a house yard and it's too difficult to have him inside then I suggest a dog run with a kennel inside for warmth of a night.

    Dogs and fences just go together IMO.

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    thanks for all the ideas, a long lead could work, didnt actually think of that. i'm just hoping he will grow out of it eventually. he gets plenty of excercise so is usually asleep when he's inside anyway

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    Wow at least a dog run for night time or inside at night.

    If your dog lived in my area i can tell you, your dog would be shot.........it is one of the reasons i will never own my favourite breed (GSD), because if they ever got out by mistake they would be dead and hanging on the fence. The farmers in our area know our black dogs and know they would only be out by accident, but if we had (or anyone else) had wandering dogs it would be their end.

    And how do you know your dog is not up to no-good..My hubby has trailed a dog home and the owners had no idea their beautiful happy golden retriever chased stock and nearly put one of our horses through a fence. This happened when we lived on the edge of Albury....We also had a small cocker spaniel put a foal through a fence, it had to be shot, due to injury..Again the owner said it was a sweet dog.

    Responsible dog ownership is containing your dog...I am sorry, but this i find rather upsetting. having been at the other side of all these dogs that supposedly did not chase stock. We were very forgiving and found out who the dog belonged to and warned the owners, but many would not be and they have the right to shoot on their own property, which is sad
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    newfsie, you obviously didnt understand me correctly, but i DONT let him out, because i know neighbours have every right to shoot him. this is why he is inside at night. never would i let him out unless i knew he would hang around, but he doesnt, so he doesnt go out. in the 2 years i have had him, he has got out 3 times, and i have followed him so i know he's not harming/chasing stock. he just runs around like a mad dog sniffing the ground. Theres nothing i cant stand more than people accusing me of being a bad dog owner. never would i have him in any situation that could harm him. during the day, i know he's not up to no good because he's always with me.

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    Oops I got that wrong and got on my soap-box. Just your wording, where you say he wanders up to 2 kms away, to me that is out of control.........Still I would always expect my dogs to be up to no-good if they were able to wander by themselves at night. I would build a run........But if he barks, i would maybe make a run that is attached to the house, so he has a doggy door into the run and can come inside.

    I would not ever allow my dogs free roam without limitations..i would never expect mine not to find something interesting to follow/chase/investigate. they are dogs after all.

    And as to the toileting indoors. You will need to take him out more often. And just do the same as you would with a puppy, lots of reward for outside. And in your case outside would have to be on-lead. I prefer toilet training on lead anyway. I take mine out for a last run quite late.

    Must admit the workdog X hound would make me thin eventual stock-chaser if left to himself...So many dogs start it as a game and it ends in something terrible..............
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    May i ask why fencing is impossible?
    No one loves you like your dog does.

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