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    I'm not after debate on the good/evil of them I'm just wanting the facts on them

    I'm in NSW by the way .

    edit to add reason ; thought I should I guess- Am at the end of all avenues with an extremely reactive dog who just simply explodes and switches off. Needing something that may just get the ball back in my court so some form of reactive training can progress. At the moment , dont stand a chance and dog is just being managed.
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    Electric collars are the only thing I could get to stop Molly barking.. she barked once with it on and hasn't barked with it on since, she still barks with it off but that's okay because I only wanted her to stop barking when I go to work at 2am, so I put it on when I leave for work and then she has it off whenever I'm home It's one of those ones that give them a warning beep first, followed by a small 'tickle' and then it gets stronger as they continue to bark. I was looking into the sound-emitting ones and the ones that spray citronella but I didn't want Meika to have to suffer from the smell and sounds from Molly barking so the electro ones seemed like the more sensible thing to me

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    My understanding is that they are illegal. However you can still get the electric bark collar mailed to you in NSW. I do have one.

    However I think you are really after the remote controlled one which is not as easy to get. Though some trainers have them. Not just the every day trainers but ones that do work with police dogs, drug dogs etc. The timing needs to be perfect. I know a dog that needed one to stop running the owners horse into the fence, worked very well, because the timing of it was not about the barking but when he fixated on the horse.

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    Thanks Mac ,that was what I thought as well....that the Remote ones were illegal here in NSW. Just wanted to be sure though. The ones triggered by the bark,like Kristi's , would be no good to me in this situation . Talk about a rock and a hard place at the moment.
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    I think the NSW law is the same as the SA law

    ie you're allowed to own one, you're just not allowed to put a device that is designed to emit an electric shock onto a dog - or any other animal.

    But I've not heard of it being enforced. RSPCA says they're illegal everywhere - which is not true. And the police you talk to on the phone don't know - so basically unless you also break some law they do know as well - they don't care.

    If you use one to train a dog for ANKC competition, you will get banned.

    So the most important thing with them, the modern ones have a very mild shock - it's annoying but doesn't cause major long lasting pain or burns - is the training for both dog and owner.

    Ie if the dog gets zapped but doesn't understand why or how to "stop the zap" (eg backing away from the invisible fence), then the behaviours you get might not be the ones you want. Eg if the dog gets zapped with no training - when it is looking at a dog it views as a threat - it may blame that other dog for the zap, and get worse. Eg the connection the dog could be "I see a bad dog - and it zaps me, I'd better get it first". Or instead of coming back to the owner or away from the fence, it may run away in a straight line - until the remote no longer has any connection... Hence you need to do the training in a controlled environment first. But if you can do that - do you need the zapper?

    k9pro has a book on how to train using it. And a recommended supplier. Even tho they're NSW based.

    And zappers are legal in QLD. And under supervision from a licenced/qualified dog trainer in Victoria - I think.

    For me there's just too much potential for the dog to get it wrong and for me to get it wrong to make them a useful tool, and I compete in ANKC competition.

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    You are allowed to have one in some cases....And i think they are somtimes the only thing that will work when you have ingrained stock-chasers, where the next call is PTS and where time is limited. Timing needs to be perfect. And sometimes it can actually have the reverse response of what you want....I would definitly be very cautious to use it for aggression. But for Stock-chasers I have used it successfully....But you need to assess the character of the dog it will be used on. Some dogs would shut down after use and some would go aggressive........
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    We recently heard of an electronic bark controller that emits a sonic scream whenever the dog barks. HAve just imported one from USA so will report back on it when we figure out how to work it.

    It sort of buzzs the ear drums so dog stops barking. It is a sender unit that sits somewhere safe and if the dog barks within something like 100mts it buzzs them. (depends on the unit)

    No shock. no pain. No collars. Pretty sure that won't be banned in NSW.

    I just did a google search for Sonic Bark Stop and came up with lots of different ones.
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    I've heard of bark activated sound speakers - the sound is supposed to be at a pitch humans can't hear. But I can hear the ultrasonic mozzie repeller just fine. If only it actually worked. And I can hear dog whistles. Though only close up.

    So I'm not sure if one of these sonic things would annoy me as much as the dog but I seriously considered getting one when I had a yapper over the back fence. It would yap all night and the owner didn't want it inside because it wasn't house trained. I think the dog and maybe the GF it belonged to got relocated. The rotti that lived with it, was fine. No problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I've heard of bark activated sound speakers - the sound is supposed to be at a pitch humans can't hear. But I can hear the ultrasonic mozzie repeller just fine. If only it actually worked. And I can hear dog whistles. Though only close up.

    So I'm not sure if one of these sonic things would annoy me as much as the dog but I seriously considered getting one when I had a yapper over the back fence. It would yap all night and the owner didn't want it inside because it wasn't house trained. I think the dog and maybe the GF it belonged to got relocated. The rotti that lived with it, was fine. No problems.
    Humans can't (usually) hear anything over 20khz (20000 hertz); even less as your hearing degenerates with damage and age. I believe dogs can hear up to around 50khz, so there's a range of 30khz that we can't hear and they can. I'm not completely sure, but it can't possibly be that hard to make a transducer that can reproduce a >20khz signal, so there are probably sonic barking collars that you can't hear.
    My guess is that your mozzie repeller isn't meant to go completely unheard. I had a quick look, and they produce roughly a 5khz frequeny, which is audible for us.
    Anyway, enough boring you with my sound science, back to dogs...

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    We have had the ultrasonic unit set up for 2 days now and there is already a remarkable improvment in our noise makers. Has not stopped the barking at any people arriving at the fitness centre but it has very much shortened the length of time they alarm bark.
    Instruction sheet for this unit says it may take up to 30 days for the dogs to become aware or atuned to the reasons for the sonic blast they get.

    Wife also imported a small hand held unit that we are trying on our sheltie who is an excited barker ( aren't all shelties). This little unit has already stopped Fizz from yapping away when they all get to run outside.

    We had a damb good laugh at the instructions though - I know if I tried to write chinese they would probably have a hernia at my efforts. Will find time and copy some in .

    This hand held unit seems like it may be what you need ChoppaChop. I will find out the address and post it here as well.
    Nev Allen
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