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    May i ask what Tramadol is?

    Also what do you mean by titers?


    Benadryl is good for allergic reaction..i use human doses, the problem is your dogs are very small, mine are mostly kid to adult size, so it is easy. i would have to chat to a vet if i had a small dog. I have never owned small dogs. Smallest has been kelpies

    When my girl last hurt her bacK, it was a sunday, so i rang my (soon to be EX)vet and told him it was the same problem as last time, which was about 12 months before and that I still had some metecam (still in date)but couldnt read the dosage, could i have the dosage (told him her weight) and would it be ok to give her some asprin (pain)and /or valium (muscle relaxant) as she was in quite a bit of pain?

    he said no, those drugs are not suitable for her condition, and wanted to see her! I wasnt going to take her in on a Sunday afternoon just for a sore back, so went in Monday. The vet on duty that day took 2 mins with her, said it was the same thing and gave me Metacam, and valium??
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    So its really important to have some knowledge of things you may have in the cupboard.
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    Yep..........Our Metacam has a dosage syringe with it. it gives the kg on the syringe

    Tramadol is also for pain, it is also used for humans. Katy was on it when she was initially injured. It is for severe pain. Katy actually gets 2 tablets twice a day, but that was only for three days.

    As I said before, I have a huge (literally) margins, you have only little dogs with the drug doses

    I find it upsetting too, when some vets are so relaxed and helpful and other want to make it cost lots. I think I am very lucy in our district mostly.
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    I am in the Noosa area and i think they believe we are all made of money, I dont mind paying whatever i need to, especially with the insurance, but dont think its fair when they see you coming, and wont offer suggestions to make it a bit easier
    . Thank you for the info Newfie, very appreciated.
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    This I just borrowed form the other site

    Vets On Vaccines | Dogs Naturally Magazine
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    Great unbiased information there, and there answers are all very much in sync with each other, despite being from different parts of the world.
    And interesting that it will actually affect their incomes negatively by speaking the truth so there is certainly no gain in them speaking out against vaccine.
    And looking at the references of these vets,they are all certainly proffessionals with a lot of experience and qualifications in the area of vaccines and the serious impacts on health.

    And they all agree 2 puppy vaccines is sufficent for life, anymore is market driven by the vaccine companies, or fear of profit loss by the vets.

    Do you know what NSAIDs is short for?

    Nice link thank you.
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    Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, such as metacam is one........Human feldane

    Just like with humans care should be taken in their long-term use


    "Veterinary Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs)
    Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs) are used to control pain and inflammation. Inflammation - the body’s response to irritation or injury - is characterized by redness, warmth, swelling, and pain. NSAIDs work by blocking the production of prostaglandins, the body chemicals that cause inflammation.

    In companion animal medicine, approved veterinary NSAIDs are used to control the pain and inflammation associated with osteoarthritis in dogs and horses. Some veterinary NSAIDs are also approved for the control of postoperative pain in dogs and cats. There are potential risks associated with the use of NSAIDs. Veterinarians and pet owners should be aware of the following facts:

    All dogs and cats should undergo a thorough history and physical examination before beginning NSAID therapy.
    Appropriate blood/urine tests should be performed to establish baseline data prior to, and periodically during, administration of any NSAID.
    Common side effects include vomiting, diarrhea, not eating/eating less, and lethargy. If your pet experiences any of these potential side effects, STOP administering the medication and contact your veterinarian immediately.
    Veterinary NSAIDS may be associated with gastrointestinal ulcers/perforations, liver, and kidney toxicity.
    Serious side effects associated with the use of NSAIDs can occur with or without warning and, in some cases, result in death.
    Use with other anti-inflammatory drugs, such as other NSAIDs and corticosteroids, should be avoided.
    Patients at greatest risk for kidney problems are those that are dehydrated, are on diuretic treatment, or have pre-existing kidney, heart, and/or liver problems.
    NSAIDs can cause stomach or intestinal bleeding.
    Risks associated with NSAIDs are detailed on the package inserts and Client Information Sheets that accompany all veterinary NSAIDS dispensed to clients. A Client Information Sheet should always be given to the client with each NSAID prescription. Pet owners should read this information carefully. Owners and veterinarians should carefully consider the potential benefits and risks of using an NSAID and other treatment options before deciding to use an NSAID. Use the lowest effective dose for the shortest duration consistent with individual response."
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    I have never had an information sheet with vet drugs though i guess its freely available on the net.

    Thank you Newfie
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    I just saw..Titres is when the blood spec is checked for the levels of antibodies for the vaccinations
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    Was just talking to a friend who's dogs have not had a booster for 2 yrs and passed on your links (hope thats ok) and a few others I found lurking in the depths of my puter as she is also interested in combating unneccessary vaccines, levels of toxins and unnecessary treatments in her dogs .
    She wonders if the blood tests (Titres) need to be sent away or are the results available straight away?

    Also what are your thoughts on heartworm? is that another neccessary evil as is tick and flea treatments?
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    I had a great vet in Corowa, he decided to retire (how inconvenient)..he helped me work out preventative treatment with a Ivermectin (only no mix)........I only do it in mossie time and the dogs have a blood test before we start up again. Heart-worm is prevalent here in the Riverina. It is dreadful and needs to be prevented...Some of the heart-worm med we use in Australia are not allowed in other countries. I cannot for the life of me remember which one. I have done a search in my bookmarks and cannot find it.

    I am just trying to do the best by my dogs, but i am also trying to keep level headed, so I search and live and learn. i will listen to any good argument and I might change my opinion after someone has shown me the way. I will always try to keep an open mind to any new info
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