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    Default Puppy reluctant to eat dry food?

    So my 4 month old GSD puppy used to be on Eukanuba large breed puppy dry food with some Pedigree puppy wet food mixed in for easier consumption. I have been trying to convince my boyfriend to take him off the Pedigree for a while now due to his gut issues and after a visit to the vet I finally convinced him to take him off the Pedigree.

    I tried soaking it but pup turned his nose up at the food last night unless there was Pedigree mixed in.
    I tried leaving it dry this morning and he ate most of it, but was not impressed. He ate very slowly and I had to remind him to keep eating, which is not like him at all. He's usually a scoffer.

    Any tips on what I can do to make the food more enticing to him, but will allow me to keep him off the Pedigree junk? We have two other dogs so I can't just leave the food out until he decides he's hungry enough to eat it unfortunately.

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    What brand do you have him on now?

    Most dry foods are not good for dogs at all, even the large Vet Recommended brands such as Eukanuba, Science Diet, Royal Canin etc etc. They are full of grains and corns which are not a natural food source for dogs. Corn is a known allergen for dogs and grain often causes issues as well, especially in the amounts they have them in dry foods. Some dogs won't eat dry because they get a stomach ache afterwards and then get a bad association to eating dry food.

    Not sure if you are still feed Eukanuba and if so which one but here is a review on it
    Ingredients
    Ingredients
    Brewers Rice, Corn Grits, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Chicken, Fish Meal, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Fructooligosaccharides, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Flax Meal, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), DL-Methionine, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Rosemary Extract.


    Guaranteed analysis
    Crude Protein not less than 23.00%
    Crude Fat not less than 13.00%
    Crude Fiber not more than 5.00%
    Moisture not more than 10.00%
    Omega-6 Fatty Acids not less than 2.0%*
    Omega-3 Fatty Acids not less than 0.36%*

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    Cons: Inadequate meat content, byproducts, low quality grains, controversial filler

    The main grains in the food are brewers rice and corn. Brewers rice is a low quality grain and byproduct. Corn is a cheap grain that is difficult to digest and commonly associated with food allergies. Even if these had been good quality grains, we would still note that grains are not a natural foodstuff for canines, who should be fed products based on meat, not grain. There is very little meat content in this food.


    The main meat ingredient in the food is byproducts, 3rd on the ingredient list. It is impossible to ascertain the quality of by-products and these are usually products that are of such low quality as to be rejected for use in the human food chain, or else are those parts that have so little value that they cannot be used elsewhere in either the human or pet food industries. The AAFCO definition of chicken by-product meal is “a meal consisting of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice.” Since the glucosamine and chondroitin are sourced from cartillage and bone (present in all meat and meat meal ingredients, unless de-boned), we consider advertising of this to be a gimmick. The amounts of these substances in the food are far below useful or therapudic levels, as is the case in all dog food products.In addition to this being a very low quality ingredient, we note that since it is the main meat ingredient and only 3rd on the ingredient list, this food is extremely light in meat content. It is primarily a collection of grain.


    Chicken is the 6th ingredient. This is not a meal ingredient, but is inclusive of water content (about 80%). Once that is removed, as it must be to create a dehydrated product, the ingredient will weigh around 20% of its wet weight. Ingredients are listed in order of weight, and the dehydrated ingredient would probably be more accurately placed much further down the ingredient list. It is highly unlikely that this ingredient makes any significant contribution to the overall meat content of the food. Fish meal is a further meat ingredient in the food, but it is far too far down the ingredient list to make any significant contribution to the overall meat content of the food. We find no sign on the manufacturer's website of a guarantee that only ethoxyquin-free protein ingredients are used in this food (ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative, commonly added to fish ingredients, and that is banned or heavily regulated in human food due to the belief that it is carcinogenic).


    Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required. We would prefer to see the use of whole eggs rather than egg product in the food.
    This review comes from this website
    Dog Food Reviews - Main Index - Powered by ReviewPost
    This website is run by the Boxer Club of America and they have no affiliations with any dog food company. They have done the appropriate research into dog diets and the food that dog food companies use and are putting the information out there for free for people, so they can see what they are really feeding their dog.

    Also look up Dr Ian Billinghurst and Dr Bruce Symes. They have loads of information on why dry food is no good and raw is the best thing you can do for your dog.

    If you have a dog who already has skin issues then changing to a raw diet is the best thing you can do for that dog, for now and for its future.

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    Hi Princely

    Usually when you change a dog to a new food - you do it by 1/4 at a time ie first meal - you swap 1/4 of the old food for the new food, then the next night half and half and then the night after that 3/4 new to 1/4 old, and then the meal after that - all new food.

    To encourage puppy to change over, put the food down, run a timer for 10 minutes - and take the food bowl away until next mealtime - whatever is left.

    Given you're in Melbourne - you have the very excellent locally made dog food called "Black Hawk Holistic" available.
    Has much better ingredient list.

    I have been feeding Nutro Natural Choice - which is also made in Australia - under licence to multinational Mars - it has a fairly good ingredient list. The best are stuff like Artemis and Eagle Pack Holistic which are imported so harder to hold them accountable for their claims.

    The good thing about black hawk or nutro - is between them you can do an elimination diet to see what upsets your puppy and what is good for him. The kibble size for black hawk is very small - which slows down the rate a dog can hoover it, which can be good for preventing bloat too.
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    Hi Princely
    You can do it the nice way, gradually introduce 1/4 of new food to old brand, and gradually replace.
    or
    just do it.
    Your dog will starve at some point, and eat. Sorted.
    I give 10 mins to eat a meal to mine. What's left is lifted.

    Dogs catch on fast. Hunger makes them catch on faster.

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    Haha I was going to say, if he gets hungry enough he will eat it. I've recently changed my dog biscuits over and my dogs don't seem to enjoy it as much. I put some mince in with it last night and they loved it though and sometimes I put puppy milk in with it at their morning feed which most of the time doing that makes sure they eat it all to (although not this morning... sleeping is more interesting than food apparently).

    I've recently changed to Canidae Canidae Pet Food holistic food but before this I fed my two Eukanuba. They had no issues with it ever. I suggest feeding him what ever is easiest for you, if that is Eukanuba and he doesn't get any skin issues from it stick to it.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Thank you all for the helpful advice. I haven't switched brands of food at this stage, I've just removed the Pedigree wet food and have tried to get him to eat the Eukanuba dry food on its own. (I used to feed them both together so he could eat it a little easier)

    I do like the look of the BlackHawk food - I think even the Eukanuba puppy is difficult for him to eat completely dry cause it is so big and he doesn't like it soaked, so I may try it once my giant bag of Eukanuba is finished.

    I wish I had time in the morning to just take his food away and try again later but I'd end up leaving him with no food until dinnertime (he is fed twice a day) as I have to leave for work. I may try it on the weekend.

    jadielee87: This may seem like a silly question but what sort of mince did you put in with your food? He does not have any issues with the Eukanuba apart from not wanting to eat it without the Pedigree crap mixed in.

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    Quite simply he likes the strong smell of the tinned food. You could always replace it with part of a small tin of sardines or tuna or salmon. I get the no frills ones, sometimes with the oil and sometimes with the springwater. All are good for your dog. Start off by adding just a sardine and crush it thru the biscuits.

    I'm afraid I'm the same as Bernie, if a puppy has not eaten it all within 15 minutes it is removed and not returned until the next meal. Hence all my dogs scoff their food down with the exception of one who is a bit slow to eat but doesn't leave the bowl.

    Pandering to a dog is the same as pandering to a child, they know what works and for the ones that aren't greedy they are often prepared to wait owners out until they get what they want, owner eventually caves in, so dog learns that if it turns it's nose up at two or three meals by about meal 4 they should get what they want.

    Also check your puppies teeth, if the gums are swollen some puppies can go off their food for a little while, or if it's really hot where you are some larger breeds do lose their appetitie, but your pup really sounds like he's just hanging out for the smelly canned food. I've used canned food when hiding liquid medicine, it can be a matter of just a teaspoon or two mixed into dry food.

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    Last week I had chicken mince from the chicken products store wicked wings, this week i tried out something from the supermarket cold section, it's called paws fresh. They loved it last night!

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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