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    Glad we could be of help. Ask any question you wish even if it seems stupid to you. We all had to start somewhere.
    Enjoy your pup and enjoy the forum.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Di_dee thanks so far its been great and i will definitely be coming back

    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank79 View Post
    The responses i have read on here do sound sincere and make allot of sense.

    I guess its like us humans if we actually ate more foods that were natural and preservative free we might be much healthier and live longer.

    One of the breeders i spoke to did mention offal but as i am in metro sydney i am really unsure of where to buy offal. Does anyone have ideas on where i could possibly find offal in Sydney? I am sure it wont keep as long as other meets

    thanks again, this is a very informative forum and so far people have been great with all the advice.
    Just remember Lamb;s fry is offal and so are kidneys, many people forget this..........Your dog is also a large breed, closer to giant then most breeds, so you also have to take that into context. If you do want to feed RAW, especially to a puppy, you have to do a lot of reading,. it is not just a throw some RAW meat together. But once you have the basic recipe, it is easy and I find it a lot cheaper. There are many books and if you google it there is also lots.........But remember your dog is not like a small dog, it is large breed, feeding say a blue heeler or small dog is significantly different to a rottie...they do not have the bone growth that need to be supported for healthy life. I have attached a great RAW feeding site form one of the Newfie Breeders. They work their dogs and I have been on their diet for at least 15 years (my dogs )

    http://www.watercubs.com/en_articles...andfeeding.htm

    I feed a lot of bones and for puppies I like brisket bones, which are mostly cartilage and they cannot get into trouble.........Otherwise really big bones, where they have no hope of crushing and splintering them as a puppy. It will stop all the damage chewing too. And all the exercise on the gums will make for great teeth. And if you start early to teach bone chewing, they will not get frantic when you give bones as an adult and cause all the problems....make it part of their normal diet.

    NOw if you have to feed dry, due to time, availablitiy or what ever...Go for a good preservative free diet. And wheat/corn/soy free. There is one great dog food available in Australia, Aussie made: Black Hawk

    Sometimes you have to do a bit of searching to find it, but it is worth the effort for your dog. And if you add some RAW meat and bones it will be an OK diet.

    I am not a rep of Black Hawk, but I have researched it and my dogs have it when they travel and RAW is too difficult to get or make, I just swap straight to it and have no problems.

    Also large breed puppies can be fed Black Hawk, they do not need the puppy dry food, which is just a selling thing

    Black Hawk jpeg.jpg Black Hawk label attached for your info
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    The vet said that if i gave him too much calcium (found in meat) he would grow too fast and thus the possibility of hip and joint problems. This advice does sound good and who am i to argue with a fully qualified Vet? She also said to make sure its high quality dry food such as science diet, eukanuba or royal canin. The problem this food is ultra expensive and while i do want what is best for my dog it is going to be difficult keeping up with those sorts of prices. She did say to only do this until he is 1 and then i could give him more meat based meals.
    Meat is not full of calcium. In fact raw muscle meat is quite devoid of it, you have to add it into the meat to balance out the high phosphorous levels in the protein. High meat only diets can boost growth, which in turn can damage joints because there is not enough calcium to keep up with this massive growth spurt you're putting the dog through. The best mince is pet mince, not human, just try and get preservative free if you can.

    Supercoat .... I wouldnt feed it to chickens. Depends what you expect really, if you want the bare bones minimum and that you're dog's doing OK on a predominantly grain byproduct diet then go for it. The one time I had to put my bitch on supercoat sensitive due to illness her condition went through the ground. I tried coprice once too they all looked terrible, and on wheat based foods my Dogue de Bordeaux just went bald.

    I don't see why you could not raise a rottweiler on a raw diet. I feed 3 big dogs (25kg-58kg) and 9 ferrets all on raw now and it costs me about $20-$30 a week. I use the Vets All Natural range of products which is really the easy way to make sure you're getting it right, and add in things like cottage cheese, eggs, veges, tinned salmon etc. They also get a mix of beef/chicken mince. Frankly if your budget is not huge you are better off on a raw diet then cheap dry food. Make a big lot of it and scoop it out of tub in the fridge, add some raw meaty bones (at your pups age he can have lamb flaps easily, chicken necks and wings are too small for a rottweiler) and you'll have a shiny, healthy, muscly dog.

    As for the hiccups, yup for some reason all rottie pups get them. My boy used to sit there and *hic* for ages as a pup then just grew out of it.

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    Thanks again guys.

    some food for thought so to speak.

    I have purchased some chicken necks and chicken frames. Are the frames good for a 12 week old puppy as i am worried about splinters etc? and how can i add calcium if i am going for mainly raw food?

    Also what is a good amount to feed him? he is getting a bit tubby. Someone mentioned cottage cheese, and i know this may sound silly but should i purchase fat free cottage cheese or the regular cottage cheese?

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    A dog is an animal meant to be able to digest bone. If he has been on a processed diet up until now, introduce bones slowly, so say half a frame, give him a day break in between and see if he gets constipated or vomits up the bone (which is not something to panic about, it is a dogs way of getting rid of bones they won't pass through) If he does, go to just minced frames as the bone source for a week or so and try a small amount of carcass again. You will find on a raw diet the dogs stomach will start becoming naturally more acidic which is normal, and helps them eat that lovely raw diet. Digestion, even in humans, is use it or loose it. I think one of the biggest reasons we're finding dogs that are getting more and more sensitive stomachs is a diet only on processed, high grain foods as well as lack of variety. Then vets telling people dogs will get magically sick from a raw diet over dry food O_o I even had a dental specialist tell me the only things that will keep a dogs teeth clean is Greenies and Hills t/d! Amazing! Considering my older bitch just turned 8, my big boy is going to be 7 and still have lovely clean white teeth from eating bones. I would never feed greenies or dentastix etc I dont believe they're healthy for the animal at all.

    Raw bones are edible. The only ones that really should not be eaten are 'weight bearing' bones, meaning the leg bones of animals. They tend to be denser and grow in a spiral fashion that can splinter (so chicken drumstick bones, cow leg bones, lamb shank bones etc) so should be reserved as a treat ... if its bigger then the dogs head its safe to give as a boredom buster, and leave them whole.

    Because your dog is a pup I strongly suggest you get the Vets All Natural Puppy complete mix (all pet shops should carry it). It contains fiber, vegetable matter, herbals and calcium to balance your mince. You soak it in water for half an hour at the least (I make up a big container for the week and put it in the fridge) then add it to your meat in the ratio on the packet. This way it is balanced for your pup, it also has how much you should be feeding your pup on the pack so you don't go overboard I use regular fat cottage cheese, occasionally I use ricotta as well, but that is quite sparingly (it just gives the mastiff another excuse to fart) and more for my bitches. Everything in moderation basically and the richer the product, the less you give at once. Dogs need fat, they are not humans

    Puppies will be tubby, their chub on legs at that age *sigh and utterly adorable* but the best way to tell is just feel the dog. Can you feel ribs, is there actually muscle on the spine, hind legs and shoulder blades? If not then the pup is too thin, if you can't feel any bones we're in really fat territory lol but that takes a lot for a pup.
    Last edited by Nekhbet; 02-08-2012 at 07:12 AM.

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    Thanks Nekhbet everything you have just said makes allot of sense. I would like to give him dry food maybe once or twice a week max until he hits a year then maybe once a week if that. He loves the supercoat puppy but based on some opinions here it is not very good.

    I have gone through so many threads on here and still none the wiser. People seem to have negative opinions about most dry food and i totally understand that. But sure there must be one brand or type i can feed my puppy sparingly that will not do him any harm. I want him to be healthy first and foremost.

    Any ideas as far dry food goes Nekhbet ?

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    oh Nekhbet i checked all those things and it checks out. I think it may just look like he is chubby but having a proper feel around he is quite normal lol

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    Just wanted to comment on your offal question. I get mine from Woolies. They usually sell lamb and beef liver, heart and kidneys. You may have to ask the staff where to find it, but it's usually somewhere near the dog food in the fridge.

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    awesome thanks Beloz

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