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    So we've had Abbie for about a month now and she is just over 7 months old. Over the past month i have noticed she has developed a very obvious and quite significant lump on the top of her head, directly in between her ears.

    At first i thought it was the occipital bone, as i've heard english pointers have quite a pronounced one, but the size of it was starting to concern me and i got it checked out by the vet. He was unsure what it was and said most likely a trauma to the head, which caused a hematoma. Said to wait 2 weeks and it should be gone. 2 weeks later it was still as prominent as before. I saw a different vet this time and she suggested that part of the occipital bone might have broken off and could be causing the lump there. She suggested an x-ray and asked if the dog has been having any kind of neurological problems. No neurological problems as such, but i have found that she is very hard to train and very slow to understand basic tasks. I have no idea if this is more personality or an underlining issue though....

    Am just wondering if anyone has been through anything similar, and what the cause ended up being?
    She is in no pain so the vet said it will be fine to wait a few weeks to make a decision on the x-ray.

    I have pictures on my camera, that i will upload when i get home from work.

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    I own a Gordon Setter, she was the first dog I got after having had Kelpies for years, it was quite a shock to the system to train her, much slower to mature with very much a "whats in it for me" attitude that I wasn't used to but did eventually come to terms with.

    I took her to a field trial day held by the Pointer and Setter Field Club when she was about 8 months old, she was only one of two Setters with the majority of dogs being Pointers and some GSPs. The old guys had wonderful gun dogs that worked to a whistle and backed in pairs to point out quail , anyway told me they don't expect too much from their dogs (Pointers) until they are about 11+ months old.

    I couldn't comment on the lump on your girls head, I think that's best left to the vets.

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    Very interesting Mac..Abbie's breeder did tell us Pointers are quite bad with jumping up at people and that seems to be the problem we have the most with her. Rather than sit she would prefer to jump up. I also think she physically doesn't know how to sit correctly. She is very gangly and out of proportion. She looks uncomfortable when she sit's and can't hold the position for longer than a second or two. Even when around the house, she will always stand or lay. I've never ever seen her sit on her own accord but yet she doesn't have any obvious problems with her legs.

    This is the head lump..







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    Could be a "ganglion". Like the kind of lump I get on the soft side of my wrist if I bump it. Usually don't notice, and it's usually not painfull unless I really push it and then it hurts the same as if I really pushed any other bit of me.

    The lump doesn't look great on the puppy either. Like you need to add a nice white cone hat with "dunce" written on it. And yes all the pointers I've met have been a bit adhd/ditzy. Not untrainable but more of a challenge.

    Is there anywhere around the house where she could keep bumping her head - like a low table? Or a wall near her bed - I have to pull my own bed away from all walls or I end up with a bump in much the same place.

    Otherwise - xray - which would probably mean a general - you might be able to get hip scores done at the same time or anything else that needs a general (eg desexing though it's a little soon for that depending what you want to do with her).

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    I have seen a few pointers with this...Some lines have it more pronounced. I would check with a vet, but I am sure it is a "pointer thing"
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    The lump looks more pronounced and thicker than I've seen on most pointers but then again it's really hard to tell much of anything from a photo.

    Gemma never jumped. Very, very strict rules were set in place to never pick her up (when she was a pup), something that I often think leads to jumping, and to never pay her any attention when she sought it out. She was also very much an individual as a pup, more focused on her surroundings than on her humans, something again I wasn't used to, as Kelpies live to please their humans. But as she matured that changed.

    My Kelpies all jumped, my ex-husband would train them to jump up into his arms etc etc, but then as a tradie he was very rarely ever in any good clothes etc, but the jumping drove me insane so when I started my new life it was a rule I firmly put in place.

    But formal training was kept to very short intervals until she was about 18 months old. She was/is a bit of a natural with any bird work, surprising since she is all show lines.

    I think mental maturity rarely hits the bigger gun dog breeds until minimum 2 years old. It's really worth trying to locate a field gun dog club even if it's just to see how amazing these dogs can be given time in their natural line of work.

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    I've decided i'm going to wait another month before i make the decision of getting an x-ray. I posted some photos on the other forum and quite a few people have been through similar things with there dogs..my vet told me a hematoma should be down within two weeks but going by other peoples experiences, it can take up to two months.

    Hya, x-ray will mean general but she has all ready been desexed and I'm not particularly interested in hip scores as she is only a pet so i think i will wait first..

    When we picked Abbie up, we got to see all of the other pointers and from memory, none of them had a lump like her's. Plus when we got her there was absolutely no lump there..leading me to believe she had knocked her head (she does get thrown into walls and windows quite a lot when playing with Buckley, our staffy x). Will keep an eye on it..

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    My Borzoi had a huge fluid lump on his elbow from about 14 weeks old, from simply slamming down on the cold tiles in the kitchen to escape the summer heat. I had it drained, it came back, I drained it, it came back so we let him ride it out as natures way of protecting the elbow bone.

    He's now 13 months old and it's completely gone, but it hung around for a long time.

    You girl looks a real sweetie.

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    Is there a way of being able to tell if there is fluid in it, just by touching it myself?

    When i originally got it checked it was rather soft but it feels very hard and bone like these days. Almost like the lump has calcified..which is entirely possible.

    Thanks Mac, she's gorgeous. Never had a dog quite like her before. Very motivated by affection and absolutely insists on following me everywhere i go. I happily let her off the lead outside of the house because i know she's too much of a scaredy cat to leave mummys side

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