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    My parents and sister just got back from our vet for her second to last vaccinations. It was just a few things he said that have pricked my ears. Firstly, he said after 2 weeks we can give her short walks, not letting her sniff anything and didn't recommend taking her anywhere with other dogs. She is 12 weeks old now, and we still haven't taken her for a walk out of our property yet. We have to wait another 6 weeks until the final vaccination to do that. We only have a small backyard and we want to give her a good walk. Plus my sister works at the RSPCA and he said that she shouldn't work, or if so to leave all clothes and shoes she wears at work there. So my sister doesn't want to work for 6 weeks just in case she carries something home. Which makes sense.

    Secondly. Feeding wise, he said, we should just feed her dry food because everything she needs is in there. Hmm, breeder said to feed her mince with the dry food. Vet says you could freeze mince as a treat, but not for the meal. Interesting. Also, no bones. Um really? If we have to give her bones, they must be big so she can't swallow it, and take all the marrow out as it is too fatty. Really? Bones help clean teeth, but he said we can brush them as she matures...

    I'm not criticising the vet as it does make sense in a way what he said (I'm sure he has more of an idea then me). I'm just wondering what people have experienced with vets, or if they have any opinions themselves on what I have said.
    Ruskee: our small at the moment old style German Shep.

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    I think your Vet is a tad over cautious about everything.

    If you don't start socialising the puppy you will miss the vitaltime for her to learn some socialisation skills. Yes, there is a risk, but there is risk in everything in life and the risk you are taking by not socialising her is higher. At 12 weeks and two vaccs, she'll be fine. I'd walk my dog without a qualm at this age unless I saw actual evidence of parvo.

    She needs bones for good dental hygiene and jaw conditioing. The marrow maybe fattening, but come on, how many obese dogs have you ever seen that are fed bones? Obesity in dogs is because of over feeding, feeding snacks and feeding food meant for human consmption to dogs, not the marrow in bones.

    Mince is fine as well. The comment about the dry food is correct though, everything they need is in there but there is no harm in giving mince.
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    I remember my vet also telling us to wait 2 weeks after the second vaccination. We only waited 1 week, and just started with taking him up and down our street. I think he was about 12-13 weeks before he had his first big walk to the park. We let him meet other family members dogs before this, as we didn't really see the risk in letting him socialise with dogs we know were up to date with their vaccinations. Telling your sisters to be cautious about her workplace seems a little over the top to me! I would ignore that advice if i were in her shoes.

    I've been told the same about not bothering with the mince. Up to you really. I feed my puppy dry food only and he's happy and healthy. I have read somewhere that marrow bones should be cut in half rather than length ways, because the marrow is so fattening but i always ignore that. My pup eats the same bone over a period of 3 days so i can't see how it's any worse than us humans indulging in a bit of chocolate every few days..

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    The RSPCA should supply f10. Normally over with the puppies. Tell your sister to stop by there and lightly spray down her clothes with that and she'll be ok. I would not dismiss the chance of transferrance of sickness or disease as they do have ALOT of sick animals going through.

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    Hi Kinkdogg

    I'd have to agree with your vet, until two weeks after the last booster, your dog is vulnerable to things like Parvo - which is passed on by sniffing dog poo, and there have been outbreaks in the Adelaide area from time to time.

    But you can organise play dates with other dogs you know have been vaccinated to C5 ideally. But at least C3.

    Given your puppy is only 12 weeks old - it doesn't need more than a 10 to 15 minute exercise session yet anyway. Five minutes per month of age is a vague rule of thumb and is supposed to prevent long term damage to joints and bones as they grow. It's a more strict rule of thumb with the big breed dogs.

    I think you might want to contact the Adelaide GSD club for a different vet recommendation.

    My vet recommended bones - like chicken wings and necks and raw lamb shanks. My dog ate the chicken wing and then vomitted it entire. Yuk. And the raw lamb shanks - she made splinters out of the shaft (as with the beef marrow bones cut long and crossways), and swallowed those, and vomitted those or had a great deal of discomfort when they finally made it at the other end. These bones had very sharp edges.

    So no bones for her at the moment. Sometimes I think the joint end of the marrow bone, with no shaft bit for her to make splinters out of might be a good option.

    I use carrots, dentastix and rawhide or roo chews for teeth cleaning. Not to much of any of it ie not more than one per day or it all tends to come back to haunt us.

    But not every dog has such a sensitive tummy.

    I agree beef mince alone is probably not a balanced diet, but mixed with kibble or veg it should be ok. There are lots of options but usually breeder knows best so I'd start with that.

    Vets don't know everything and they often disagree about how to get things done, so if You're not comfortable with an opinion consider going somewhere else. Also the vet that doesn't have the best people skills often makes up for it in diagnosis skill and animal handling skill, so pay attention to how your dog likes the vet and how well the recommendations work.

    I question any vet or vet nurse who recommends feeding hills science diet. I make them read the ingredients and explain why they're "healthy". Because hills science diet - isn't the best dog food out there.

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    Thank you Hyacinth, very good pointers there. No our vet is great, and we won't be changing, I was simply just pointing out some things he said and wanted other peoples opinions, the beauty of forums right?
    Ruskee: our small at the moment old style German Shep.

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    No wurries.

    Glad you like your current vet. I go to two different vet practices. One belongs to my dog club president, the other is very close to home. So the president's clinic I go to for vaccinations and I went there for puppy pre-school and I like his style but I don't agree with everything he says. But sometimes when questioned he will explain that some recommendation or other is based on making money for the company selling the product or the vet or both. But he might not say if you don't ask the question. One of the most useful things the pet food companies don't tell you is that a desexed dog needs 1/3 less food than an entire one. Males or females - doesn't matter.

    So you figure out what the recommendation on the packet is and reduce that by 1/3 as a starting point.

    Note - I am not a vet so I would take your vet's opinions over my opinions, unless you want to go to my vet...

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    The socialisation vs immunisation debate has been going for a long time.
    You have to weigh up what you feel comfortable doing- after all it is your dog and you have to live with the consequences of an undersocialised dog or the possibility of contracting an illness.

    I take all of my new pups out as soon as I bring them home. I believe many more dogs die (put to sleep) from undersocialisation than die from diseases like parvo. By the way, your house is not in a vacuum, anywhere you have been that may have infections you will bring home.

    You dont have to go nuts (like me) and take your dog to off lead parks, basic wander to the end of your street and sitting with your pup, allowing them to see the sights is OK. But, do something. Either organise play dates, take your puppy for car rides, sit in your driveway, just something to expose your pup to the many 'scary' things outside it will have to live with.

    I am an instructor at a club that offers puppy school (with one on one training and group off lead socialisation) to baby puppies out in the open at a public park. This club has been running since the early 70's and as far as I am aware we have not had a case of Parvo (at least since I have been there- 9 years). Maybe luck or the fact that we are located in a suburban area where any dog owners who would be walking their dogs would also be responsible enough to immunise.

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    My last dog was allergic to bones, he would be sick for days after having one. My current puppy is fine with them. Test it out and see, some dogs tolerate them better than other dogs. If I give a marrow bone I dont feed my dog anything else for the day, the marrow does have lots and lots of calories.

    The premium dry foods offer the convenience of a complete and balance diet for your dog/puppy. However, many people choose to feed a natural diet (BARF). Again, it's up to you and what you and your puppy can manage and tolerate.

    In the end make a decision that you feel comfortable with. You have been given all of the options on this forum, research some for yourself, and do what feels right.

    Good luck.

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    Well balanced post doglifetraining. Good job.
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    With the new age vaccines you shouldnt need 3. My pups have a vaccination at 8 and 12 weeks, or 7 and 11 weeks. I wait about 7-10 days after the last vacc and off we go.

    I personally dont know any vets that still give 3 vaccinations over here and I know a lot of vets, my sister being one herself. I dont know anyone who still gives their dogs 3 vaccinations. I havent done the 3 vaccination thing now for many years.

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