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    Hey all,

    Well Boof and Lilly are settling well however Boof has some god awful spots that have developed and seem to be getting worse.

    The spots: range is size from roughly a pea to a little bigger than a 5 cent piece, they are a lump in that the area around them is hard and when you feel around it is certainly raised. The surface of them goes all scaly almost like he has REALLY bad dandruff, if I pick that off the hair comes off (very easily) and you are left with bare skin. Then the dandruff/scabby stuff comes back and I pick it off and the process continues (gross I know but they're weird so I'm very intrigued).

    We've been to the vet twice, first time they thought they were mosquito bites and his immune system was overacting so we went on antihistamines and combined steroids. Three days later there was no improvement, if anything they were worse, so back we went and this time (all 4 vets at our surgery) they were baffled. They are a little (only very slightly) pussy, but they don't itch or cause him any discomfort. They don't look like anything caused by a worm or hot spots or fungal. But on to antibiotics he went to see how that goes, if nothing is sorted, when he gets neutered (25th oct) they will do a puncture biopsy to have sent away.

    In the meantime, I am altering his diet. He was eating beef mince, brisket bones, chicken carcasses, roo mince, ox tail, and enduro dry food with the odd biscuit type treat and liver treats etc. So now we are giving the enduro away, we have purchased Holistic Select and are taking all beef out of his diet. I have purchased more roo mince and chicken mince and scored assorted chicken pieces from our IGA deli for only $2.99/kg. I have been advised to add Flaxseed Oil, Evening primrose and fish oil to their meals once a day, as well as adding an egg to one meal a week and making sure they eat one meal of sardines a week.

    Now all that said, anyone got any suggestions or had anything similar? I will post a photo tonight of the spots, at work at the moment.

    TIA

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    they are a lump in that the area around them is hard and when you feel around it is certainly raised. The surface of them goes all scaly almost like he has REALLY bad dandruff, if I pick that off the hair comes off (very easily) and you are left with bare skin.
    This deal is pretty typical of a fungal called "ringworm" because it grows as a circle and becomes bigger and bigger. The hair falls out at the edges and leaves a bare patch gradually increasing in size.

    Ringworm - is not a worm. It is similar to the fungal thing called tinitus or jock itch or athletes' foot. It is extremely infectious and can pass on to humans. And it's hard to eradicate - like getting rid of fleas - ie not the same chemical treatment but you do have to clean with fungicide, all the bedding and sleeping areas of this dog and any other dogs and humans that he comes in contact with.

    Not sure why the vets have ruled out fungal based on what you say. The usual test is a UV light. If it glows under UV - it probably is ringworm. If it doesn't - it could still be ringworm. If it doesn't go away with ringworm treatment - ointment and environmental cleanup, you have to consider what the dog is coming into contact with that could renew it. Has the vet taken a skin scraping for getting tested?

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    Note - it may be worth getting a second opinion. My dog got a small spot on the back of her back leg that hadn't healed up after a couple of weeks. Vet number 1 said it was ringworm (based on the uv light), and gave me an ointment for it. Vet number 2 said it wasn't. Go figure. I used the ointment and it cleared up.

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    Thanks Hyacinth,

    The spots certainly look very much like what boof has, but given how contagious they are I would have thought I would have had one by now, he's had them for a week and a half and I have picked and squeezed and played and I'm sure at some stage I'd have rubbed my nose or something before getting my hands washed. Also Lilly hasn't picked one up yet either. If they are ringworm though from reading he would have been exposed prior to us getting him as they say they have a 10-12 day incubation period and we have had him a fortnight, but he got them 2 days after we picked him up.

    I have started to wash him with an antifungal/antibacterial wash ... have done once and the plan is twice weekly, as I only picked this up last vet trip on Friday.

    Clearly if this is what they are though, this is why the antibiotics/steroids/antihistamines aren't working.

    I shall ring the vet and ask her if she considered ringworm specifically.

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    Also if the test come back inconclusive from the woods lamp they will need to take a scraping and grow a culture, I think that takes 14 days.
    I think you need to add more offal to the diet, veggie slops, over ripe fruit.
    In the veggie slops add some brewers yeast for more vit B's inc B1 or thiamine, Kelp for iodine, apple cider vinegar and yogurt for healthy bacteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molly33 View Post
    Also if the test come back inconclusive from the woods lamp they will need to take a scraping and grow a culture, I think that takes 14 days.
    I think you need to add more offal to the diet, veggie slops, over ripe fruit.
    In the veggie slops add some brewers yeast for more vit B's inc B1 or thiamine, Kelp for iodine, apple cider vinegar and yogurt for healthy bacteria.
    Thanks Molly,

    I missed chicken liver in there, they get that twice a week too. The only fruit they get is our left over fruit salads from the shop when I have them so that certainly isn't a consistent thing but i can make it so they get it more often.

    I was suggested today to get Vets All Natural Muesli to mix with their mince and I noticed it had a lot of what you were talking about with the veggie slops? Is this recommended? It looked pretty good to me. To date I certainly haven't been making them anything like veggie slops.

    We are hanging off on the yoghurt at the moment, as Lilly is a bit young (she was already eating adult food when I got her and is toileting ok and putting on weight like a trooper, but they did think the lactose could cause her some dramas and they are food sharers so we are waiting on that one), there's probably a month to go and then I'll start slowly introducing it to them.

    Just phoned the vet and she said she would be extremely surprised if it was ringworm, didn't glow (not that that in itself rules it out completely) but it's not itchy, it's more raised than a traditional ringworm so she didn't think it would be that. The next step is a biopsy. This will happen when he gets neutered as the spots aren't causing him any ill health or discomfort so we concluded that a week and a half would be ok.

    In the meantime, I purchased a tube of antifungal ointment and will treat with that and the antifungal/antibacterial wash and I'll spray their beds with diluted bleach.... just in case. Can't hurt huh! If it is ringworm, I will get rid of it before he is due for a biopsy.

    Can I just add I think it should be compulsory for all dog owners to find a forum like this, you guys are great.

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    My dog wasn't overly bothered by her spot. Wasn't chewing at it either. So I'm not sure that's conclusive that it is or isn't ringworm.

    I suspect your vet knows the text book but hasn't experienced all the variations. The biopsy might give an a clue but ask for a specific ring worm test as well ie if they don't test for it they won't find it if it's there. The antifungal shampoo should help a lot (based on what the first website said about it). The anti fungal may have killed the fungus too - so then it may not show up on the biopsy even if they test for it. But that's what you want. No ringworm and the only way to be sure is if the test says none there, and the spot heals up.

    One of my friends who grew up in an extremely feral and unhygeinic environment, freaked when I mentioned ring worm. I was not allowed to visit with a puppy that might have ringworm. Apparently, when she was a kid, it infected her and her eight siblings and pets and they had the worst time with itches and discomfort and it kept coming back again and again and again. And my sister got a "mouse fungus" from cuddling her pet mouse. The mouse didn't seem the least bit bothered, but my sister had this big red ugly spot on the side of her face for ages.

    And jock itch or athletes foot - is a good idea to wear thongs or crocs in the shower if someone in the household has this. Though it's not automatically passed on. You need to be hot and sweaty and generally not very clean for this to fester.

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    Ah yes, that brings back the boarding school days... showering in thongs, what a past time, LOL!

    Yeah she did say she can't 100% rule it out, and it would be tested for when they send the biopsy away, but she (and the other three that looked at it - there's 4 vets in the surgery) they've not seen one like this.... however, I figure, given there is still a chance, which they acknowledged, that it is one, I will do my best to kill it.

    Given that it does have a 10-12 day 'incubation' period, if that's what it is, we mightn't be out of the woods yet, they only showed up on him on the 29th Sept so we are at day 12 now that we have been exposed, the next couple will be telling that's for sure.

    If I get one on my face, it'll match my other 'red patches'.... LOL I have an unidentifiable redness to the end of my nose and my left cheek .... I get the rudolph jokes alot. Water off a ducks back these days. Fingers crossed I don't though. I don't want to be itchin like crazy.

    Thanks again for your help. I wouldn't have considered ringworm had you not mentioned it!

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    Any pics? Now curious.

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    Sorry Molly won't be home until 7.45pm ish.... QLD time! Will hop to as soon as I am though!

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    Eek Shelby

    Maybe you should be applying some tinea cream to your face. Or canesoral cream/tablets (for thrush fungus) or something.

    Though if your red spots have been around a long time - birth marks. Sigh. My sister (the same one that had the mouse fungus) had a bright red spot in the middle of her nose for the first 6 or so years of her life. And then it faded (thank Dog).

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