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    Being a fungus, it may well travel via spores in the air. Not sure about that one. I don't know how long it lives without a host either.

    I'm not sure I'd be talking Boof out to other places or letting him say hello to any other dogs until it's over. But then again - where did he get it? The vet who told me my dog had ringworm - told me "don't tell anyone" and we kept going to dog school though I cut back on the meet and greet. There was a dog with spots at our local park - that probably gave it to her - if that's what it was.

    But you don't want to spread it around or share it if you can avoid it. I hope the Great Dane lady washed up carefully after looking at Boof. Or maybe Boof got it from the Great Dane lady who got it from her dog? Who knows. But if her dogs have the exact same thing - you may want to keep clear of her and her shop until she gets treatment for her dogs. Did her vets test for ringworm?

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    Yep the Dane lady's dog was tested for ringworm and it was negative. They appeared on boof the Wednesday after we picked him up, which was late Monday arve so if it is ringworm he picked them up before we got him given the incubation period for it.

    He had them before meeting Dane lady. We don't 'meet' other dogs when we're out. Or cats for that matter. We walk around a newly developed estate with not a lot of house there yet and there's never any other dog walkers about obviously there are dogs behind fences but we just walk past while they bark, mostly boof and Lilly aren't interested in them.

    I guess for now I can only keep up hygiene and treatment and each to see any change n the spots.

    As far as I know the fungi only transfers via contact, but doesn't necessarily show only on contacted areas. If that makes sense.

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    Was the test the Dane lady got - a UV lamp/Woods lamp test or the skin scraping test?

    Maybe there is something local that causes spots like those. I hate things with unknown causes - they're the hardest to fix.

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    The fungal spores can live in the environment for a long time and can be found in carpets, bedding, grooming equipment etc.

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    I thought a biopsy? Was the the test she had. They sent it away and this was done by two different vets as she didn't have confidence in the first so that's when she went to one in the bigger town just north.

    Yep thought so Molly but didn't think they just lived in the 'air' I thought they needed 'something' to be on! I sprayed the dilute bleach solution again this morning on their beds and the mats.

    It is very frustrating being so 'unknown' and very strange that so far, only Boof has them not Lilly. I keep checking her though thinking something has to appear at some stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby-001 View Post
    I was suggested today to get Vets All Natural Muesli to mix with their mince and I noticed it had a lot of what you were talking about with the veggie slops? Is this recommended? It looked pretty good to me. To date I certainly haven't been making them anything like veggie slops.

    We are hanging off on the yoghurt at the moment, as Lilly is a bit young (she was already eating adult food when I got her and is toileting ok and putting on weight like a trooper, but they did think the lactose could cause her some dramas and they are food sharers so we are waiting on that one), there's probably a month to go and then I'll start slowly introducing it to them.
    I like the Vets all Natural Complete Mix because it is an easier way to deliver some of the "veggie" style nutrients in a pretty easy format. I use significantly less than recommended on the pack, though because my dogs won't eat as much as they say to mix in! If you don't want to buy it, though, you can blend up any varieties of fruit and veg (leafy green varieties best) in your blender with water. The act of blending and adding water mimics the state a dog would naturally get his greens- predigested from the stomach of a kill. Raw or whole is ok for chewing and boredom busting, but of little nutrient value as the dog cannot digest it. (you see it return "whole" in the poo...)

    An alternative to youghurt is "PetPepUp"- I believe it is a non-dairy probiotic supplement. (I use it, I'm just not 100% sure about absence of dairy/ lactose) The ingredients listed are like shark cartiledge (sp?) ect. If you google it, you can access the info brochures.

    Lastly, you mentioned adding some oils- I use the Vets all Natural Omega Oil. It contains Flaxseed and, I think, Evening Primrose as well as other stuff cold pressed. It's said to be terrific for skin and coat. Alternatively, try the Greenpet Omega Oil (available form Greenpet online: Greenpet)... slightly different ingredients, same concept, similar price. The Vets all Natural uses slightly less but is dearer, the Greenpet one slightly more and cheaper.... I alternate depending on whether I am ordering from Greenpet. I also use their (Greenpet's) Essentials supplement which supposedly has vitamins and minerals to mimic things like hair, nails ect.

    Raw feeding can be a bit complicated and seems terribly tricky, but once you have your products and suppliers (and fridge space!!), I personally believe it is the best of the best when feeding. There are some great websites out there devoted to raw feeding if you ahve time to sit and google and read.

    I'm also happy to share the "book" my breeder has prepared about feeding with anyone who wants to PM me. I'm pretty certain she would not mind as long as I attribute her work :-)

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    The trouble with biospies and blood tests is that if you don't test for whatever the problem is - you don't find that problem...

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    So if a vet rules out ringworm based on the UV lamp test, and then orders a skin biopsy but doesn't order the test for ringworm - bearing in mind that not all varieties show up under woods - they won't find it. Argh
    Skin Biopsy for Dogs
    http://www.vetinfo.com/category/dog-...ir-conditions/

    There are loads of causes of the red spots with hair falling out. Ringworm is probably the most likely - after things like allergies to flea bites. Allergies are difficult to track down.

    I'm just hoping it is ringworm - because we know how to fix that...

    PS yoghurt doesn't have the lactose that causes problems when dogs (or people) drink milk - because yoghurt is like fermented or cooked milk, the lactose is chemically changed to something more gentle. Same deal with cheese. Most dogs are not allergic to milk. Saying dogs should not drink milk, is like saying people should not eat peanuts. All in moderation though.

    I do think yoghurt is good to have after or with a course of antibiotics because it helps restore the stomach "flora". For dogs and humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villain & Flirtt View Post
    I like the Vets all Natural Complete Mix because it is an easier way to deliver some of the "veggie" style nutrients in a pretty easy format. I use significantly less than recommended on the pack, though because my dogs won't eat as much as they say to mix in! If you don't want to buy it, though, you can blend up any varieties of fruit and veg (leafy green varieties best) in your blender with water. The act of blending and adding water mimics the state a dog would naturally get his greens- predigested from the stomach of a kill. Raw or whole is ok for chewing and boredom busting, but of little nutrient value as the dog cannot digest it. (you see it return "whole" in the poo...)

    An alternative to youghurt is "PetPepUp"- I believe it is a non-dairy probiotic supplement. (I use it, I'm just not 100% sure about absence of dairy/ lactose) The ingredients listed are like shark cartiledge (sp?) ect. If you google it, you can access the info brochures.

    Lastly, you mentioned adding some oils- I use the Vets all Natural Omega Oil. It contains Flaxseed and, I think, Evening Primrose as well as other stuff cold pressed. It's said to be terrific for skin and coat. Alternatively, try the Greenpet Omega Oil (available form Greenpet online: Greenpet)... slightly different ingredients, same concept, similar price. The Vets all Natural uses slightly less but is dearer, the Greenpet one slightly more and cheaper.... I alternate depending on whether I am ordering from Greenpet. I also use their (Greenpet's) Essentials supplement which supposedly has vitamins and minerals to mimic things like hair, nails ect.

    Raw feeding can be a bit complicated and seems terribly tricky, but once you have your products and suppliers (and fridge space!!), I personally believe it is the best of the best when feeding. There are some great websites out there devoted to raw feeding if you ahve time to sit and google and read.

    I'm also happy to share the "book" my breeder has prepared about feeding with anyone who wants to PM me. I'm pretty certain she would not mind as long as I attribute her work :-)
    Thanks V&F.... I got an email from an online supplier today about Vets All Natural 'Sensative Skin'. I'm thinking about giving this a go .... I would do the veggies myself but unfortunately it's a time issue. I don't even have time to cook for us (run a takeaway 7days).

    I will look into the supplements you mention as if there is one with those already combined that they recommended that's easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    The trouble with biospies and blood tests is that if you don't test for whatever the problem is - you don't find that problem...

    Google

    So if a vet rules out ringworm based on the UV lamp test, and then orders a skin biopsy but doesn't order the test for ringworm - bearing in mind that not all varieties show up under woods - they won't find it. Argh
    Skin Biopsy for Dogs
    http://www.vetinfo.com/category/dog-...ir-conditions/

    There are loads of causes of the red spots with hair falling out. Ringworm is probably the most likely - after things like allergies to flea bites. Allergies are difficult to track down.

    I'm just hoping it is ringworm - because we know how to fix that...

    PS yoghurt doesn't have the lactose that causes problems when dogs (or people) drink milk - because yoghurt is like fermented or cooked milk, the lactose is chemically changed to something more gentle. Same deal with cheese. Most dogs are not allergic to milk. Saying dogs should not drink milk, is like saying people should not eat peanuts. All in moderation though.

    I do think yoghurt is good to have after or with a course of antibiotics because it helps restore the stomach "flora". For dogs and humans.
    Dane lady says the second vet definitely tested for ring worm, she thinks the first one did but isn't positive. Also, another customer that comes into the shop and was in tonight has a 12 month old ridgeback (possibly a cross I can't remember) and guess what.... she has the same spots. I showed her a photo of boof's and she said identical, they appeared about 2 weeks ago, Boof had his for 2 weeks yesterday. Will ring the vet tomorrow and run that scenario past them, 3 dogs, same spots, same general region.... sounds unlikely to be a coincidence.

    On to the lactose....

    I was lactose intollerant for a number of years as a teen due to a very bad bout of giardia that rendered my digestive system extremely vulnerable and almost completely depleted of lactase. After exclusion for nearly 3 years and then very slow reintroduction my system had repaired itself to tolerate it again. In this time there is no way I could eat anything dairy, the smallest amount of lactose made me ill (extreme diahrreoa) and no quantity of live cultures (probiotics) provided any help. My lactase was so depleted due to the giardia, the only thing that helped was time to allow them to replenish and supplemenation to promote it's production, this was possible as I wasn't genetically difficient. I had to take an 'inner health plus' type product - I can't remember it's name - for four years. The 3 I was eating NO dairy (except lactose free milk on my cereal) and then for the year after I slowly reintroduced. Now I don't consume any copious amount of dairy as too much bloats me and extreme quantities still cause further upset. I can have milk in coffee again no worries and some in proetin shakes etc.

    Lactose Intolerance - What you can eat?

    Lactose Intolerance

    These two websites explain how the live cultures are what actually makes yoghurt tolerable to some lactose intolerant people as the live cultures convert the lactose to lactic acid before it can affect the digestive system. The youghurt still contains lactose though, so when the difficiency of lactase is bad enough the live cultures aren't enough help unfortunately. Now I can tolerate 'real' yoghurt, still in small portions though. My favourite is Jalna BioDynamic pot set.... full of all the good live stuff.

    As for a puppy the live cultures probably are enough to make it tolerable though, most people don't suffer the severe lactase difficiency I did. Yoghurt certainly is good for most people with antibiotics. Jalna have a wonderful natural yoghurt too in their biodynamic range, available in 'whole milk' or 'fat free' so maybe that's worth ago.

    Thanks for making me actually think that through hyacinth.... I'd forgotten about the whole 'live' cultures converting lactose therefor negating the issue until I went through all that.

    I'll let you know what the vets think about the other dogs having the same spots when they have never been in contact.

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    Hi Shelby

    Thanks for the extra info on the lactose - it does make sense. A bit like traces of nuts can be bad for some people but other people who can't eat peanuts but aren't extreme - can eat (like me).

    Giardia - I hate that parasite. I got it from the Derwent when I was 16, and sailing from a club that was next to a sewerage outfall. Only the Tasmanians stayed healthy everyone else got sick (it was a nationals). Argh. Before that I could eat anything, after - I had to be really careful.

    And this year I've had two bouts of it. At least we think that was it - because the treatment for Giardia worked. Although the second time - I had to take two courses before I got better. I think it's in my tank water. Time to get a new tank or a water purifier or both. Sigh. I was boiling it and putting it into jugs, but had somehow cross contaminated somewhere. I'm now drinking either boiled tap water (in coffee) or shop bought water (glass of water). Adelaide water cold on its own does not taste good.

    We get Paris Creek Biodynamic Organic yoghurt here, but I also like the Margaret River pot set. For some reason both are cheaper than Farmers Union highly processed yoghurt. Go figure. I've quit buying flavoured yoghurt - too much sugar. I make my own now with tinned fruit, a spoon full of sugar (the tubs have what seems like five teaspoons of white sugar - bleach) and topped with walnuts. The other thing I hate about the bought flavoured yoghurt is as best I can tell they lie about how much fruit is in them. I measured to make my own cherry yoghurt and if you put the same by weight amount of cherries as what they say - the result is a very very bright purple colour. Not that weak pastel pink the commercial stuff is.

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