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    Aaaaaaah just had to share this!!

    Started Gus (bull arab pup, now... 17-19 weeks - imprecise age due to shelter adoption) on raw this week.

    Was really, really nervous about giving him his first raw chicken wing. I presented it to him and stood over him protectively as he first mouthed it, dropped, it stared down at it curiously, and I made encouraging noises.

    Five minutes later, cue pup, lying on his belly in his duramax dog bed, crazily and delightedly chomping and champing on the same chicken wing, tail going like a helicopter rotor. He chewed it thoroughly before gobbling it down.

    He loves his raw food. Chicken wings, chicken necks, lamb's heart, liver, various raw meats, tin of sardines - it's all working a storm. Plus, just three days into raw, a habit of scratching and nibbling at himself that was starting to worry me eased off - I think it was the additives or possibly a colouring in the kibble I was using that was making him itch.

    So, at the moment, two meals a day, no free feeding in between, a couple of dried liver treats in obedience tasks, and he gets his meat meal from a bowl, and his wings-n-necks bones meal handfed, one item at a time. He's also currently getting some kelp powder and some vitamin C.

    If anyone with raw-feeding experience can see anything wrong with what I'm doing, please do let me know.

    The best bit about this (am going to sound like a bitch) - I try to raw-feed my six cats, but they aren't crazy about meat that's been through the freezer and they tend to avoid some meals unless it's from fresh. They also aren't game enough to really tackle raw bone, so the only way I can get the calcium into all of them succesfully is to buy a minced chicken carcass in a tub - half of which goes in the bin because they won't eat it from the freezer and they don't get enough of it to use the tub up before it spoils (there's no preservative in it).

    But now, with the dog on raw, he eats a volume of food in excess of the cats, and it allows me to go back to buying raw because frankly he eats like four more unfussy cats. He's not so finicky about well-defrosted meat, apparently the flavour-of-freezer doesn't phase him.

    It's a good thing - my cats love their raw meat, but aren't as game on eating bones and such like, so kibble had started to play too much of a role in their diet for my liking. Those of you who don't own cats, there's more and more evidence that the grain-based protein in kibble is contributing to struvite crystals, urinary tract problems and kidney failure in dry-fed cats, so anything that helps us move to being a raw household pleases me greatly.

    All points of view welcome (even if you're anti-raw, as long as you explain your reasoning properly!)

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    I've been feeding the BARF patties as I am not confident that I am getting the right balance. Good on you for giving it a shot.
    Being a large breed dog make sure you are feeding him enough which is a certain percentage of body weight and that the calcium to phosphate percentage is right.
    You would probably want to add some veggie slops to the diet as well and a whole egg including the shell.
    I think it needs some tinkering but I'm sure you will get advice. Also check out Dr.Billinghurst BARF Diet and Give a Dog a Bone.
    I'm glad he has stopped scratching.

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    Thanks Molly - he's been getting some veg slop in his food and is unimpressed by it. The other day I experimented by slopping his food with a half a scant teaspoon of vegemite dissolved in a couple of tablespoons of warm water and mixed that with the meal. He scarfed it. The vegemite thing is a trick with cats who won't eat and I figured I'd give it a bit of a go with the dog on the basis that it's a tiny amount and won't do any harm.

    I think I'll buy the Give a Dog a Bone book.

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    Hey Spot...

    first the cats: I have two cats, one feral and one stray. The feral was brought up (by previous owner) on kibble, so the move from kibble to wet was a bit of a trial, but we made it. The stray quite likes the kibble, but prefers raw bones. This is quite nice because when I feed the dogs, I simply keep one wing or drumstick or whatever aside and give it to Jerry (The stray). The feral (Rastus) does not like to eat bones presented to him, but darned if he is not an excellent mouser and seems to really enjoy eating them under my bed!! So much so that I have actually wondered if I should just start feeding mice- not many around my place anymore and I don't want him to move on the birds!! Then I found Dr Bruce Symes' Vets All Natural (VAN) complete mince for cats. I mix it with the VAN Complete Mix (also for cats) and- holy moly- both cats happy!! Hooooo-weeeee! Jerry still gets a bone or two every couple of days, but I'm satisfied that Rastus (the feral) is getting better food now- and less kibble. They still get a bit, but i'm buying Eagle Pack Hollistic for them- the love the fish one (mmmmmm smells so good... )

    Now the dogs: You might try adding the VAN Complete Mix for Puppies into the meat dish- it is supposed to mimic the grains etc that dogs would find in the stomach of their kills in the wild. By themselves, dogs don't process fruit, vegetable or grain, so it has to be "pre-digested"... that is blended with water added. You can do this at home by blending veggies and fruits and water in your blender. If you're like me and don't own or want a bloody blender (!!!) try the VAN. The other things you might like to add are yoghurt or a probiotic supplement, maybe an egg or two here or there and raw fish is terrific even if it does stink up the house The last thing I think maybe was already mentioned here is offal. If you have a good local butcher you can ask for "offal mix" where you might have heart, kidney, tongue, liver etc diced and mied up for you to simply add to the meat dish. Not too much though, it can upset the tummy in large amounts... a small amount is fine.

    Hope that helps... looking back it seems a little long :-)
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    Hey there - just this morning I whizzed up a chunk of carrot and a chunk of brocolli in the blender, with some water, before mixing that through a meat mix. He ate it without too much protest, which is kinda cool.

    He's not crazy about the mouth-feel of jelly-ish things - e.g. liver, chunks of heart, raw egg - but he'll eat them if they're bashed about a bit first. Generally he's a good eater. I'll take a look at the VAN stuff - that's Vets All Natural isn't it?

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    Glad to hear the raw diet plan is a hit for your guys!

    My guys get chicken necks, wings. The adult dane cross gets turkey wings when they are on special and my butcher sometimes has lamb necks on special. Haven't done offal as yet.


    I feed raw - mostly HG beef mince, no preservative, as well as roo and minced lamb hindquarter which I buy in bulk from a pet warehouse. This meat has minimal preservative, but my itchy pup doesn't get it. The cat LOVES the roo. I feed it to the dogs in smaller amounts than the beef and lamb due to it's high protein, low fat content. I still feed a small amount of premium dried food, so I understand the uncertainty of getting all of the things right. I have been getting my guys used to a spoon of plain yoghurt (whatever natural one with live cultures is the best value in the supermarket), brown rice (they don't like white rice anyway), vitamin powder, etc. My itchy boy gets extra fish oil and tissue salts and I've just started him on glucosamine as he has pulled a shoulder muscle. I have been giving cooked veges (didn't know they can't digest them, thought that was only grains, so does hand mashing cooked veges and adding water do the same as blending?). They also get sardines and tuna, although I find the one in oil goes straight through them, so use the one in spring water. I will keep slowly reducing the dry food. I would probably look at BARF if I four out of five of the dogs weren't large breed, but it would work out too expensive for me.

    BTW - will try the vegemite too.

    Cathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpotTheDog View Post
    Hey there - just this morning I whizzed up a chunk of carrot and a chunk of brocolli in the blender, with some water, before mixing that through a meat mix. He ate it without too much protest, which is kinda cool.

    He's not crazy about the mouth-feel of jelly-ish things - e.g. liver, chunks of heart, raw egg - but he'll eat them if they're bashed about a bit first. Generally he's a good eater. I'll take a look at the VAN stuff - that's Vets All Natural isn't it?
    Ooops, yes, sorry, VAN is "Vets All Natural". I found my dogs did turn up their noses at the VAN until I had the amount right. If you follow the serving sizes on the pack you will not only spend a fortune but probably have your dogs saying "no way!!"... I have actually cut the amount down and I mix it in with chicken frame mince, offal, raw egg, a sprinkle of Eagle Pack Hollistic kibble, PetPepUp (a probiotic supplement powder), Greenpet Essentials (a mineral supplement powder), VAN Omega Oil. That's dinner for my dogs 4 nights per week. 2 nights per week they get bones, and one night per week the preprepared BARF roll. Each mornign for breakfast they get bones.

    If you have the time and inclination to blend up your own "vegge mix" then go for it!!!

    Ummmm.... I think there was also a question about cooked veggies and digestion. I think (and check this I may be wrong) that steamed veggies would be ok as they are already soft and have water content added- just mash em up. Roasted or raw veggies need the treatment though, as they wont be digested. But, hey, don't not give your dogs raw veggies and fruit to chew on- they can be great boredom busters and chew things!

    You may find that you need to feed at least twice daily even when your pup becomes an adult as the raw food seems to process more quickly.

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    I found my dogs did turn up their noses at the VAN until I had the amount right. If you follow the serving sizes on the pack you will not only spend a fortune but probably have your dogs saying "no way!!"... I have actually cut the amount down and I mix it in with chicken frame mince, offal, raw egg, a sprinkle of Eagle Pack Hollistic kibble, PetPepUp (a probiotic supplement powder), Greenpet Essentials (a mineral supplement powder), VAN Omega Oil. That's dinner for my dogs 4 nights per week. 2 nights per week they get bones, and one night per week the preprepared BARF roll. Each mornign for breakfast they get bones.If you have the time and inclination to blend up your own "vegge mix" then go for it!!! I think there was also a question about cooked veggies and digestion. I think (and check this I may be wrong) that steamed veggies would be ok as they are already soft and have water content added- just mash em up. Roasted or raw veggies need the treatment though, as they wont be digested. But, hey, don't not give your dogs raw veggies and fruit to chew on- they can be great boredom busters and chew things!The other things you might like to add are yoghurt or a probiotic supplement, maybe an egg or two here or there and raw fish is terrific even if it does stink up the house The last thing I think maybe was already mentioned here is offal. If you have a good local butcher you can ask for "offal mix" where you might have heart, kidney, tongue, liver etc diced and mied up for you to simply add to the meat dish. Not too much though, it can upset the tummy in large amounts... a small amount is fine.

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