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    Default Looking for Some Advice Re My Boxer's Diet Post Bloat Surgery...

    Hello!

    I found this forum while trolling the net looking for information on nutrition and eating for Mastiff's after bloat.

    My Boxer, Rosie, is now on day 5 post surgery, and is currently on her "safe eating" regime of cooked chicken and pasta, which she is now eating without issues 3 times a day. (She was refusing food until 3 days post op)

    Pre-bloat, she was eating 12 good-ohs for breakfast (she loves them, even though they are SO bad for her - she doesn't know she won't be getting them again!), with a cup and a half of dry food + 2 tbsp wet food for dinner.

    I would like to keep her diet more natural now, both in terms of her gut health, and also for added longevity (she is 7yo).

    What I have been able to find out so far is all over the place, so it's great to discover an Aussie site that can provide feedback in real terms as to what is good for here, rather than the US or UK.

    Besides the chicken and pasta, she is also getting about 1ml of manuka honey per day (which I have to rub on her chops to lick off, as she will not drink it mixed in her water, or eat it mixed with her chicken). After her staples are removed and she has free access to water I also want to dose her water with ACV (the same as what I drink, not the stuff from the supermarket).

    Basically (sorry for the length of the post, my thoughts are a bit all over the place), I want to feed her the following, but need some advice on a few of the ingredients:

    Raw/cooked meat - chicken/beef - maybe roo on occasion too?
    Combination of cooked vegies - carrots, peas, beans, corn - but is corn safe for dogs? There doesn't seem to be a definitive yes/no answer?
    Natural grains like barley - should these be saoked only, or fully boiled? I haven't been able to get an answer on this one...
    Garlic
    Carbs like pasta and rice - is brown rice suitable for a dog's gut?

    Any suggestions, feedback, thoughts would be much appreciated!

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    Welcome to the forum.
    I will leave the advice to those more knowledgeable than me on this subject.
    My dogs have always thrived on a diet of a good dry food, raw daily (lamb, beef bones, chicken wings, necks, minced chicken carcass, raw egg, sardines).

    To go totally raw needs much research so correct levels of vitamins minerals etc is achieved. There was a thread here recently with a lot of info on this.

    I will try and find it.

    I did not find the one I wanted but this should start you off. There is a lot of info on the feeding board.

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/dog-food-...questions.html
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    Hi Pinkest,

    I would like to think that your vet who performed the operation sat down and had a good lengthy chat with you about the most common reasons causing bloat.

    Understanding the causes are the first steps to helping your dog ensure it doesn't happen again.

    I'm not going to post a long lengthy post about it as i may be wasting my time repeating the convo with your vet...lol...so you understand what causes it?

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    Yes they did, but I'm not sure what you mean? Have I written somthing above that makes you concerned that what I want to achieve will risk further bloat?

    While her pyloris did close off, and she suffered 3 pockets of air, she didn't suffer twisting; I got her to the vet before her gut had expanded to critcal mass. Luckily there was also no resulting cardiac arrhythmia.

    Her lactic acid levels were 5.2 pre-surgery and 1.8 post. Her electrolytes were also off post surery, but both her AEC and std vets are confident that these will correct naturally in the weeks following surery as her kidney functions are normal, white cell count is perfect and all other bloods are fine.

    Will look forward to hearing your thoughts, and will check out the link that Di Dee1 has provided.

    Thanks

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    Thanks Pinkest for all that info. Much appreciated. Do they have any suspicion of what caused the bloat in this circumstance, is what I meant.

    How many meals a day are you looking at feeding her? What foods etc, how often and when all come down to her previous eating regime IMO.

    So, are you ooking at moving your dog onto a completely natural diet, or simply a mix of natural foods and some commercial food?

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    Pleasure... yes, I know what caused it - me... :-(

    I stupidly left a garbage bag infront of the back gate as the ground was covered in lillipilli berries and I didn't want to squish them everywhere... got sidetracked, had to dash out on an errand... came back and bingo bango, garbage bag bag everywhere, with 5.8ltrs of crappola in Rosie's gut.

    AS well as the crappola (which they were able to extract most of throuh a gastric tube), she also had two handfuls of shredded bones (cooked chicken bones - the worst kind), bits of placic bag etc, that had to be surgically removed. Luckily her pyloris closed before any of it got into her lower gut, so she only required one stomach entry.

    But, to get back onto her diet... I think that feeding twice a day will work best for both her and me. Twice is her regular habit, and I am not always around during the day to provide lunch.

    Bones have historically given her the runs, so I don't want to head too far in that direction, given her current sensitivities.... mostly a combination of natrual with a little commercial "filler" I think will be the best for her.

    She is responding well to her current diet of chicken breast and pasta. Her coat is beginning to shine, and her stress-shed has mostly eased, and she comes "hunting/hinting?" that she is ready to eat at 5:30 (std dinner time), so I hope that next week i can start to add a few more things gradually to her diet to help her gut vitality and general health.

    Where would you recommend I start? I have now read the BARF threads, and am suffering complete information overload!

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    Personally I would be reintroducing the dry food that she was on when you feel it is ready to be added. After that, when she is up and around and properly recovered I would look to slowly adding what I wished to.

    Not a great help I know but as you can see from my previous post that mine have done well, over 30 years of dog ownership on a good dry commercial food augmented by a feed of raw a day etc

    I feel my backside is covered nutritionally.

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    Aw Pinkest, I'm so sorry. But these things happen, we're all only human.

    Okay, to be honest I don't feel worried now that she has shown a distinct suceptibility to bloat; this episode has been a once off from an accident. End of story.

    If she has got the runs from bones before, and you were feeding her good quality marrow bones etc (and you are certain it was the bones) then yeah, I'd keep away from them, especially at this time! So that takes away a purely natural diet, as that consists of at least 60% meaty bones.

    1) I would HIGHLY recommend that you start her on probiotics immediately. There are various sorts, as I did some reserach into these a while ago and some members here were very helpful. I know Shar uses Paw Probiotics, but I got mine from the local pet supply man. I also had some from the vets, but it;s far more economical to get them elsewhere than the vet surgeries. Lol.
    Investigate different probiotics Pinkest. They can really be helpful in returning the gut flora to it's supreme best, but also in helping to keep it there.

    2) Diet wise, (believe it or not) I would actually recommend that you stick to a commercial food for some time into the future. Don't change it around, and let her body recover without the need of trying to digest new foods.
    There are some good quality foods out there that are superior IMO to most commercial offerings. Many of these brands have a range especially designed for sensitive stomachs and digestive tracts, particularly post op.
    ProPlan Sensitive is made with Salmon, and I have known of excellent results with that.
    Royal Canin has also had excellent results with this sort of thing.

    You can try adding different meats (raw) as a morning food if you want, but without the bone content you really should keep to a commercial diet as the main base IMO.

    Sardines are great, as are raw eggs with the white/yolk mixed, or give her an egg to crack and have some fun.

    I wouldn't be introducing different things here and there for quite some time. But stable and boring, same old same old, IYKWIM.

    God, that was long, EVEN FOR ME!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkest View Post
    Hello!

    I found this forum while trolling the net looking for information on nutrition and eating for Mastiff's after bloat.

    My Boxer, Rosie, is now on day 5 post surgery, and is currently on her "safe eating" regime of cooked chicken and pasta, which she is now eating without issues 3 times a day. (She was refusing food until 3 days post op)

    Pre-bloat, she was eating 12 good-ohs for breakfast (she loves them, even though they are SO bad for her - she doesn't know she won't be getting them again!), with a cup and a half of dry food + 2 tbsp wet food for dinner.

    I would like to keep her diet more natural now, both in terms of her gut health, and also for added longevity (she is 7yo).

    What I have been able to find out so far is all over the place, so it's great to discover an Aussie site that can provide feedback in real terms as to what is good for here, rather than the US or UK.

    Besides the chicken and pasta, she is also getting about 1ml of manuka honey per day (which I have to rub on her chops to lick off, as she will not drink it mixed in her water, or eat it mixed with her chicken). After her staples are removed and she has free access to water I also want to dose her water with ACV (the same as what I drink, not the stuff from the supermarket).

    Basically (sorry for the length of the post, my thoughts are a bit all over the place), I want to feed her the following, but need some advice on a few of the ingredients:

    Raw/cooked meat - chicken/beef - maybe roo on occasion too? Roo and turkey are the leanest meats, for fattier try lamb, or chicken I really like minced chicken carcass - great for either growing or aging bones, but check with the vet given her surgery for this one- personally I avoid beef
    Combination of cooked vegies - carrots, peas, beans, corn - but is corn safe for dogs? There doesn't seem to be a definitive yes/no answer? GET RID OF THE CORN!!!!! Best veges are grated sweet potato, coz lettuce
    Natural grains like barley - should these be saoked only, or fully boiled? I haven't been able to get an answer on this one...I add bran, flaxseed/wheatgerm all natural
    Garlic
    Carbs like pasta and rice - is brown rice suitable for a dog's gut? Brown rice and pasta is all I serve the dogs - white is a filler not nutritional

    Any suggestions, feedback, thoughts would be much appreciated!
    I also use a suppliment from Pet Ark (google) called Daily suppliment. Has all the essentials in it (sprinkle) when feeding natural.

    Hope this helps, but as DA says - keep close to your vet and run EVERYTHING by them!!!
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    Your advice seems very sound... thank you so much for your input... I will look into the probiotics asap.

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