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    Hey, the Tassie water is different, that's for sure. Sometimes just the change of water is enough to set of gastroenteritis, but it could have been anything. Bugs are yummy! (Not that I've tried them, mind you.)

    A raw food diet has to be completely balanced to be successful IMO, and that comes from years and years of research and education on the topic.
    There must be a mix of chicken with other meats, organs also play a crucial part in it, but what I do see is many ppl simply feeding a raw diet of mince all the time, and it's just not correct. Raw meaty bones make up a HUGE proportion of a true raw food diet. Some feeders add vegetables, some don't. But everything has to be fed and adjusted to balance out all the ratios, so to speak.

    Bear in mind that I am talking about a raw food diet, not barf diet which is totally different IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    Hey, the Tassie water is different, that's for sure. Sometimes just the change of water is enough to set of gastroenteritis, but it could have been anything. Bugs are yummy! (Not that I've tried them, mind you.)

    A raw food diet has to be completely balanced to be successful IMO, and that comes from years and years of research and education on the topic.
    There must be a mix of chicken with other meats, organs also play a crucial part in it, but what I do see is many ppl simply feeding a raw diet of mince all the time, and it's just not correct. Raw meaty bones make up a HUGE proportion of a true raw food diet. Some feeders add vegetables, some don't. But everything has to be fed and adjusted to balance out all the ratios, so to speak.

    Bear in mind that I am talking about a raw food diet, not barf diet which is totally different IMO.
    You're spot on about the water.. it's so different from Melbourne water! As for the bugs, he seemed to find them delicious - I saw him eat a cockroach and a bee (that didn't have a stinger, thankfully!), so who know what I didn't see!!

    Can you give me some info on organs? What meats do you feed?

    Oh, and does anyone have an opinion on roo tails? I've had a couple of people tell me their vet recommends them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie & Bella's mum View Post
    Oh, and does anyone have an opinion on roo tails? I've had a couple of people tell me their vet recommends them.
    I give my three the occasional roo tail.

    They are great for chewing or treating and I too recommend them.

    No negative comments here, no problems have ever passed my boat.

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    IMO what's good for one dog may not necessarily work for another.

    I keep my pups pretty much on the same diet, not too much changing because the crap Whippets eat is amazing.

    Lets take yesterday for instance, last night before bed it was a couple of slugs, throughout the day their roughage is the seed pods or whatever those spiky balls are that fall from the liquid amber tree, they all devour them, a spiny lizard, I know I tried to save him but they are always on the bricks, dirt, lots of oranges and limes, a couple of banksia tree men a candle from SD14's room and that's just what I saw.

    So I keep everything else pretty bland, biscuits and raw beef chopped or minced and a couple of bones a week.

    Only had one day of the runs and that was when they were about 3 weeks old and their mum drank a heap of goats milk.

    They do chuck up on a regular basis, mainly the seed pod thingys.

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    Organs - liver, kidneys, heart.

    Only in small doses though, organ meat is very rich in nutrients. I prefer to give dogs a little bit of organ frequently, rather than a lot every once in a while.

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    In Never Cry Wolf (the book), Farley Mowat tried the wolf diet for a while, but he made the mistake of skinning and gutting the mice and quickly became malnourished.

    If dog is getting sick - you need to try excluding different ingredients until you work out which one is causing the problem. You also need to keep a diary of what you're feeding the dogs, and maybe check with a nutritionist specialist vet to make sure it's balanced or do you need supplements. So maybe swap the chicken out for kangaroo or something else for a month and see how that goes. And for vegies, I find carrot and sweet potato are pretty safe and sweet corn is a complete waste of time. For roughage - ie to clean out the insides, carob pods, raw carrots, and cooked brown rice are good.

    I changed the kibble I give Frosty and she stopped getting the runs - no matter how many bugs and bits of grass and twigs and other things she ate.

    Some dogs are allergic to chicken.
    Some dogs are allergic to corn
    Some dogs are allergic to rice
    Some dogs are allergic to ?

    For Frosty, she'd get the runs every couple of weeks. It wouldn't be all the time. Very difficult. I also stopped feeding her raw bones, or at least only the big marrow bones, and only till she got all the marrow and joint coating off, and then it would go in the bin before she could start making splinters out of it and swallowing them.

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    I would be very tempted to change vets if I were you, that advise is utter rot. We feed very young pups on minced chicken frames with vitamised eg added all raw, we add other stuff to in small amounts but basically they are on mince, they do not get gastro from that.
    Have him checked for Guardia and coccidia, if your vet has not already done this, it does not always show up so many vets will give a week to ten day course of treatment for these anyway, they are very frequently the real problem when all sorts of things are diagnosed from Parvo to gastro from food

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    Just found this, hope your dogs is better by now.

    My pups, when I have a litter, are weaned on to raw meat & some puppy kibble. So mine all start to eat raw from 4 or 5 weeks of age.

    Nothing is cooked for the dogs here. Even their veg is raw, grated up & added.

    My westies are on chicken, veg & rice based kibble, with some sardines & yoghurt or cottage chesse for a change, because they scratch themselves to bits on anything else.

    The SBT's get beef & roo with veg mainly, with sardines, yoghurt, liver or a chicken frame couple of times a week and a very small amount of kibble.

    When I show any of the dogs I always take the water they are used to drinking with me. A lot of tummy upsets are caused by "different" water quality and if your dogs are used to tank water then "town" water will cause lots of problems.

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    Dog is never too young for raw
    Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.

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    Vets like to push kibble. Why do you think they have bags of the stuff in their waiting room.

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