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    I found with Frosty, she was seemingly randomly getting bouts of the runs, and then it would be one day fast, and two days of boiled chicken and (white) rice. And when I reintroduced the dry food it would be ok for a couple of weeks and then go to pieces again.

    Having done a bit of reading of the dog food project - I swapped to a better quality dry food. No more runs (unless she eats something really naughty).

    I find she does get the runs if I let her have any bones at all. The bones mess with her inside because she does such a rotten job of chewing them up.

    I'm not sure about cooking minced chicken carcasses/bones either, the bone splinters can accumulate in the gut and block it up - this happened to our heeler kelpie x - was expensive to get sorted and mum changed butchers after yelling at him for selliing her chicken mince with bones in it (pet food mince). That butcher no longer in business.

    Artemis and Eagle Pack Holistic seem the best of the dry dog food available in Australia. Innovo is supposed to be good - but you can only get it from a chain that supports puppy mills so that no good really. Eukanuba - like the Nutro natural choice chicken rice and oatmeal that I'm currently feeding rates - could do a lot better.

    Have a look at the ingredients. Besides the obviously meat product - and it should be specific like beef, chicken meat not meal... shouldn't have corn product or beet pulp etc.
    Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble
    note above is an American site - and the ingredients and quality control are different when the product is made (under licence to USA) here in Australia.

    It may be that your dogs are allergic to chicken or the fat is too high.

    I don't feed Frosty bones much anymore. I sometimes feed her beef marrow bones (shin blessed), but I have to stay with her until she's eaten all the easy bits and take it away when she starts chomping on the main shaft bone - because she swallows it in big spikey chunks which come back to haunt us later at both ends.

    Instead - for her teeth - I feed her carrots, beef chips (little slithers of rawhide chew), carob pods (not more than one chip or pod a day ideally). And she likes chewing sticks and for some reason - no splinter problems with them.

    I don't know why the chicken bits would be ok for so long and suddenly not ok. Maybe your source changed changed suppliers at that time? Maybe try organic chicken wings as an experiment to see if it has to do with the quality. Organic requires strict standards of chicken care like free range / barn raised should but doesn't.
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    Thanks Hy, Yeh I have been wanting to change the Eukanuba for a while now so I will look into some others and gradually swap I think. I really would like to try the Innova, such a shame about the shops that sell it.

    All is back to normal today with their poos so I will continue with just the dry for a while, Mya will not eat enough to sustain her long term, but it won't hurt her for a week or so.

    I find the strangest thing, not that they used to be able to eat raw no problem, but they are both having problems now. It's a bit of a coincidence that they would both suddenly be sensitive to bones and such. I am guessing they both ate something that wasn't good and each time I am reintroducing the raw it is setting something off again which is why I will give it longer til I re introduce bones this time, and only give to one dog, probably Jenna, to begin with and see what happens.

    It's all about experimenting to see what works I suppose.

    Thanks all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I found with Frosty, she was seemingly randomly getting bouts of the runs, and then it would be one day fast, and two days of boiled chicken and (white) rice. And when I reintroduced the dry food it would be ok for a couple of weeks and then go to pieces again.

    Having done a bit of reading of the dog food project - I swapped to a better quality dry food. No more runs (unless she eats something really naughty).

    I find she does get the runs if I let her have any bones at all. The bones mess with her inside because she does such a rotten job of chewing them up.

    I'm not sure about cooking minced chicken carcasses/bones either, the bone splinters can accumulate in the gut and block it up - this happened to our heeler kelpie x - was expensive to get sorted and mum changed butchers after yelling at him for selliing her chicken mince with bones in it (pet food mince). That butcher no longer in business.

    Artemis and Eagle Pack Holistic seem the best of the dry dog food available in Australia. Innovo is supposed to be good - but you can only get it from a chain that supports puppy mills so that no good really. Eukanuba - like the Nutro natural choice chicken rice and oatmeal that I'm currently feeding rates - could do a lot better.

    Have a look at the ingredients. Besides the obviously meat product - and it should be specific like beef, chicken meat not meal... shouldn't have corn product or beet pulp etc.
    Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble
    note above is an American site - and the ingredients and quality control are different when the product is made (under licence to USA) here in Australia.

    It may be that your dogs are allergic to chicken or the fat is too high.

    I don't feed Frosty bones much anymore. I sometimes feed her beef marrow bones (shin blessed), but I have to stay with her until she's eaten all the easy bits and take it away when she starts chomping on the main shaft bone - because she swallows it in big spikey chunks which come back to haunt us later at both ends.

    Instead - for her teeth - I feed her carrots, beef chips (little slithers of rawhide chew), carob pods (not more than one chip or pod a day ideally). And she likes chewing sticks and for some reason - no splinter problems with them.

    I don't know why the chicken bits would be ok for so long and suddenly not ok. Maybe your source changed changed suppliers at that time? Maybe try organic chicken wings as an experiment to see if it has to do with the quality. Organic requires strict standards of chicken care like free range / barn raised should but doesn't.
    That would be my first question too, TKay. When I purchased chicken wings from Woolworths here, they really seemed to cause problems. TBH they even smelt different to my nose, something was just not the same. Get them from Coles here or the butchers they smell different and I've had no problem whatsoever.

    Are they from the ame supplier every time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    That would be my first question too, TKay. When I purchased chicken wings from Woolworths here, they really seemed to cause problems. TBH they even smelt different to my nose, something was just not the same. Get them from Coles here or the butchers they smell different and I've had no problem whatsoever.

    Are they from the ame supplier every time?
    Yep, I am pretty lazy, I'm a one stop shopper LOL, they have always come from our local Woolies. Oddly enough I hate the chicken that comes from our Coles, I won't buy it any more. Every shop is different I suppose.
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    Hi Tkay

    It could be as simple as having a new shelf stacker who isn't very quick about getting the chicken wings from the truck to the fridge. Although you think people would be having problems too. Though they might have less risk if they're cooking them.

    I've seen shelf stackers in the chains do pretty shocking things with the food. Which is why most of the meat I eat, I actually get from a butcher. I'm less careful with the meat Frosty gets. I guess I see supermarket meat and veg as "pet quality" and yet at the buying end - they're really strict about quality when talking to the farmer and the trucking companies. And then the shelf stacker ruins it by bashing up the bananas or leaving the icecream out to melt or the chicken to grow germs.

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    Default diarrhoea - paw probiotic

    Sounds like your dogs are unable to handle certain types of meat protein - it sets off the bad bacteria in the gut & hence runny poos.. I would recommend the PAW's Probiotic - its fantastic at getting a good gut for these dogs.

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