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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    How long have you personally been feeding barf Clea?
    for about 4 weeks now and it has made a huge difference in our dogs...before that we fed EaglePack Holistic select or Nutro and before that....due to my ignorance...Hills Science Diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    The zealous push of raw and barf is and will see different health issues emerging. Dogs are now becoming undernourished because people feel that are now experts on canine nutrition. The problem is, the greater majority of people base their dog's diets on humans. They think what must be good for us applies to them.

    It doesn't.

    Dogs do not suffer from high cholestrerol.

    Dogs do not process sugar and carbs in the same way as humans.

    Dogs are not pure carnivores either.

    Contrary to popular belief, Vets actually study nutrition in their course. They also have a far greater understanding of the canine and its needs over any average dog owner.

    The purists drive me insane. There are more health issues now in dogs, but that is NOT because of commercial foods.

    Billinghurst makes money from his barf food. His motives are no more altruistic than any other commercial pet food manufacturer.

    I have fed commercial and raw for many, many years. I have tested the waters for along, long time. Yes, I personally beleive that a raw (not barf) diet is the better option for my dogs but it is also balanced with commercial kibble and *heaven forbid* sometimes even commercial canned dog food. There has never been a change in size of their stools, but then, I have never fed purely kibble. It is the kibble that increases the output of stools.

    Because of this push against kibbles, I have noticed that many people now claim it is the cause of skin issues and allergies in dogs and everyone worngly attributes that to the wheat products. Bullocks! The most common allergen is what all the purists push you to feed - beef and chicken!

    People should feel comfortable in feeding commerical, raw or barf and they should not be made to feel they are not caring for their dogs because they don't follow the raw or barf push. Incidently, the 'fashion' is also changing with the push to prey diets now. Good grief, what will be next!

    As for the fallacy of the canine's longevity shortening, I firmly believe that is a fallacy. The same with humans - we are all living longer.

    THE BEST FOOD FOR YOUR DOG IS THE FOOD YOUR DOG DOES BEST ON.
    That is a good post Anne, and I actually agree with a fair whack of it.

    I think the highlighted part sums it up in a nutshell! I also think that the best food for each dog is the food the owner is comfortable giving it, to a degree, of course.

    You all know that I feed a natural raw diet to my dog. You all know how much I belive in it. But nothing gives me the right to try and push my belief down anyone's throat so I will never do that. At least I don't think I have. Lol. Probably because from experience I have learnt that there is nothing worse than a reformed smoker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    The other issue that people ignore when pushing specific diets is that the nutritional requirements of dogs differ according to age, breed, lifestyle and many other things. With raw and home made barf diets having a higher degree of not being nutritionally correct, this could cause serious issues for dogs of certain breeds such as giant breeds.

    You have a better chance of meeting your dog's nutritional requirements if you choose commercial dog food.
    This is the biggest reason I've never tried a raw or barf diet with my dogs.
    I do notice a difference with different kibbles I've used over the years, some being much better than others. But I dont know enough about what they need to feel conferdent feeding anything else.

    At the moment I'm feeding Bonny working dog, I know it's not the greatest dry food in the world but it's the only one that seems to keep the weight on Griffen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    And can you honestly say that you think your previous dogs all died early or lived unhealthily (whcih caused problems for them) because you fed them commercial, and that these two will live longer and healthier even though you have personally only fed it for 4 weeks?

    Don't you think that 4 weeks is a little short to make an assesment like that?
    Oh God...I sincerely hope that it wasn't my fault Rex died of cancer at the age of 6! Trust me...I have thought about this MANY times...did I do this to him?

    No I don't think it is too short for an assessment! I can see the difference in their coat...their energy levels...they do not have foul breath...and their poops break down quickly due to minimal amount of fillers in it. They do NOT get diarrhoea and Sumo does not have bleeding bowels. I trust what my vet is saying...that we are shortening our dogs lives by giving them preservatives and highly processed foods etc. I have an opportunity to give my dogs the best and they will get the best. YES...I STRONGLY believe my dogs will live longer than a Staffy fed commercial foods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    The other issue that people ignore when pushing specific diets is that the nutritional requirements of dogs differ according to age, breed, lifestyle and many other things. With raw and home made barf diets having a higher degree of not being nutritionally correct, this could cause serious issues for dogs of certain breeds such as giant breeds.

    You have a better chance of meeting your dog's nutritional requirements if you choose commercial dog food.
    I'm going to be blunt here. You are doing the same thing and pushing the use of commercial foods as you are preaching that the Barf/Raw food users are doing.

    Most people don't realise there is more to dog foods than just the stuff they buy from the vets, pet stores and the supermarket. Once they start to learn about these things for themselves then they are equipped to make these kinds of decisions for themselves.

    I have heard of the 'prey' model diets, thankfully it looks like a passing fad with the Americans able to shoot animals they see and use them for foods.

    What do you think dogs in the outback are fed? It's been raw roo meat from those that are shot or beef basically forever and those dogs are incredibly fit, healthy and capable of surviving almost anything.

    As you said in your post it is about what works best for you and your dog. No-one has any right to criticise anyone for what they are feeding unless it is causing an allergic reaction - in which case I recommend doing exactly what Cleas did and changing diet to something that is far healthier for them.

    ETA: Also, if Cleas can see the difference in her dogs already after just 4 weeks, that speaks volumes to me! That means she is doing the best for her dogs as she possibly can, and isn't that what it all comes down to? Doing the best you possibly can for your dog/the dogs in your care?
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    Good post, Angela.

    I think a lot of the argument between raw food diet and commercial food diet can also comd down to what each individual is taught or told by their veterinarian. Often their vet is the person whom they speak to about dietary issues.

    And like I've said before, if you put 100 vets in a room together, you are also going to see them differ in their opinions.

    Look at all dietary options, do your homework, toss it up and choose what is most sensible and agreeable to you and your dog.

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    I agree. If you dog is not thriving on the food your are feeding...if they get diarrhoea etc etc...then obviously there is something worng with their diet...then change it until you find the best food for them!

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    Tell you the truth.. I would love to cook Boss meals for him but I dont have the time or enegry.

    He is a dog... Yes a dog. He would rather eat a dead sheep then chicken mince and rice.

    Yes we feed him PAL dog nuts.. OMG.. Im a bad dog owner.

    Seriously I dont care what people feed their dogs.

    Its their choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peta23 View Post
    Tell you the truth.. I would love to cook Boss meals for him but I dont have the time or enegry.

    He is a dog... Yes a dog. He would rather eat a dead sheep then chicken mince and rice.

    Yes we feed him PAL dog nuts.. OMG.. Im a bad dog owner.

    Seriously I dont care what people feed their dogs.

    Its their choice.
    How long do you think it takes for me to mix Sumo and Ruby's food? Take a stab at it.........

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    I could do it now cos im not working at the moment but when I go back to work fulltime, I wont be in the mood to come home and cook something for OH then something for Boss.

    Boss gets fed raw meat when we get it for him. Its a treat for him.

    I reckon well done to the people that feed their dogs the barf diet. A lot of research has been put into it.

    I just reckon it wouldnt be good for our lifestyle.
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