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    So chloe is a fussy b**** (ha ha mind the pun!)... She refuses to eat 'polony' style dog food (for lack of a better word), canned dog food gives her the most awful stomach aches and diarrhea (sp) and you can see that whilst she will give up and eat it eventually she really doesn't enjoy it...

    As for kibble don't even get me started, i've finally managed to find one she will eat (no name coles brand) and i am now in the process of trying to slowly change that to advance (the active dog kind due to her needing to put on weight) by adding a little at a time, and i am hoping to eventually trick her into liking it.. argh!

    What she will eat is raw meat and lots of it. Mainly chicken as she itches like crazy when she eats a lot of red meat... (but not BARF which i bought at the local pet store, wouldn't even sniff it!!)

    So this week i'm giving up in commercial food to try my hand at making her a nutritious meal, as she needs to put on 10kgs not loosing weight!!

    I've read heaps (as i said in another post when i first joined) but now i have a 'formula' i want to run past all of you that do the raw food thing..

    I've tee'd it up with the butcher from OH's work and he is going to give us chicken mince which is 50%ground up bones and 50% proper meat.

    I was going to give her

    900 grams of chicken mince
    1 cup of vegies (carrots, beans, peas)
    1/2 cup of cooked rice (i know not to use a lot, but i've been told to add a little for the carb intake to beef her up?)

    I plan on keeping the mince raw, steaming the vegies and obviously cooking the rice..

    She will eat the mince no probs on its own (i tried it first before agreeing to keep the supply up with the butcher) however she's not to keen on the rest, so i thought if i introduce a little at a time; perhaps rice first and then vegies..

    Will that keep her nutrition levels up? She will be getting that once a day (night time) and for the rest of the day she'll be allowed to snack on kibble all day/mornings depending how busy i am and if i remember to take the bowl away before I leave on my busy days...

    She'll also get her treats of bones, wings and necks that she gets just to keep her fattening up..

    Also, Kibble.. ARGHH is there REALLY a difference between eukanabua, advance, pedigree and so forth? (the reason i ask is that the vet only sells advance, pet store tries to sell me eukanuba (sp) and then someone else mentioned pedigree as a good brand in another post) I will be comparing the 2 brands when i head to the supermarket next ... but just thoughts and opinions..

    Thanks again guys!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post
    Also, Kibble.. ARGHH is there REALLY a difference between eukanabua, advance, pedigree and so forth? (the reason i ask is that the vet only sells advance, pet store tries to sell me eukanuba (sp) and then someone else mentioned pedigree as a good brand in another post) I will be comparing the 2 brands when i head to the supermarket next ... but just thoughts and opinions..

    Thanks again guys!!
    Hi Jodz

    Ok...what you need to look for in a kibble is whether they contain "by-product" and tallow. Tallow is a rendered form of beef or mutton fat (rendered form of pig fat is called lard). It is added to dog food...used in soap...it can be used in the production of biodiesel...it can be used in candles too...it is the primary ingredient in leather conditioning products...it is used for soldering...should I continue??

    The ONLY 2 kibbles I would give my dogs are Eagle Pack Holistic Select and Nutro Natural Choice. STAY AWAY from foods with by-products!

    If you choose to do your own cooking...I would seek some advice. The balance has to be right eg % of protein, carbs, fat, vegies and vitamins/minerals. Remember...dogs can't digest vegies very well, but blending them will take care of that. Some vegies are not good for dogs and brown rice or barley are preferred as carbs. Dogs NEED fat and you have to get the balance right here too. They also need vitamins and minerals

    Read the article at the end of this page and you will understand why!

    You could follow the BARF diet: BARF Australia - Home of Dr Billinghurst's biologically appropriate raw food for restoring animal wellness

    You could follow Dr Bruce's Vets All Natural diet: Dr Bruce's Vets All Natural ...his product is avaliable on his website and from PetStock

    PLEASE have a look at this article: Food Even a Dog Shouldn't Eat- Killing Our Pets with Every Meal

    Remember...as with humans...You Are What you Eat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post
    I was going to give her

    900 grams of chicken mince
    1 cup of vegies (carrots, beans, peas)
    1/2 cup of cooked rice (i know not to use a lot, but i've been told to add a little for the carb intake to beef her up?)

    I plan on keeping the mince raw, steaming the vegies and obviously cooking the rice..
    Dogs digestive systems have problems with breaking down the cellulose walls of vegetables and steaming will help with this but a better method is to simply puree raw veges.

    I mix the raw pureed veges in with the raw mince for my dogs and then freeze it in batches.

    I would actually reduce the vegetables if you want her to fatten up. She doesn't need a lot of vegetables and the vegetables will not help with weight gain.

    Lamb mince will fatten her up much quicker than other minces but it is more expensive.

    The importance of carbs (or lack of) for a dog is not the same as a human. Humans and canine have different needs and different digestive processes. Carbs will not increase her weight any more than the mince will.

    Kibble is a good way of fattening up a dog also. I would suggest you visit a large pet supplies store (in NSW, we have PetBarn) as they will have many brands of kibble and there will be specific kibble that will assist with her increase in weight. My local PetBarn stocks about 8 or 9 different brands of dog kibble.

    While some supermarket kibbles do the job, overall, the quality of those found at pet supply stores will be far better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post
    So chloe is a fussy b**** (ha ha mind the pun!)... She refuses to eat 'polony' style dog food (for lack of a better word), canned dog food gives her the most awful stomach aches and diarrhea (sp) and you can see that whilst she will give up and eat it eventually she really doesn't enjoy it...

    As for kibble don't even get me started, i've finally managed to find one she will eat (no name coles brand) and i am now in the process of trying to slowly change that to advance (the active dog kind due to her needing to put on weight) by adding a little at a time, and i am hoping to eventually trick her into liking it.. argh!

    What she will eat is raw meat and lots of it. Mainly chicken as she itches like crazy when she eats a lot of red meat... (but not BARF which i bought at the local pet store, wouldn't even sniff it!!)

    So this week i'm giving up in commercial food to try my hand at making her a nutritious meal, as she needs to put on 10kgs not loosing weight!!

    I've read heaps (as i said in another post when i first joined) but now i have a 'formula' i want to run past all of you that do the raw food thing..

    I've tee'd it up with the butcher from OH's work and he is going to give us chicken mince which is 50%ground up bones and 50% proper meat.

    I was going to give her

    900 grams of chicken mince
    1 cup of vegies (carrots, beans, peas)
    1/2 cup of cooked rice (i know not to use a lot, but i've been told to add a little for the carb intake to beef her up?)

    I plan on keeping the mince raw, steaming the vegies and obviously cooking the rice..

    She will eat the mince no probs on its own (i tried it first before agreeing to keep the supply up with the butcher) however she's not to keen on the rest, so i thought if i introduce a little at a time; perhaps rice first and then vegies..

    Will that keep her nutrition levels up? She will be getting that once a day (night time) and for the rest of the day she'll be allowed to snack on kibble all day/mornings depending how busy i am and if i remember to take the bowl away before I leave on my busy days...

    She'll also get her treats of bones, wings and necks that she gets just to keep her fattening up..

    Also, Kibble.. ARGHH is there REALLY a difference between eukanabua, advance, pedigree and so forth? (the reason i ask is that the vet only sells advance, pet store tries to sell me eukanuba (sp) and then someone else mentioned pedigree as a good brand in another post) I will be comparing the 2 brands when i head to the supermarket next ... but just thoughts and opinions..

    Thanks again guys!!
    Sorry to quote it all again, Jodz, don't want to keep going back to check things you've written! Lol.

    Where to start?

    Look, I am a complete advocate (like that word don't I? ) of a natural raw food diet. I have lived the majority of my life in smaller communities, and have yet to come across a vet who pushes commercial food instead of raw. However, I am aware there are many vets out there who will state the opposite and constantly push dry food and tinned mixes on their patients. That is their choice. Having GSD's most of my life may have something to do with it considering they have a high frequency of skin allergies, together with ear irritations and infections. They are notorious for it, actually.

    We all have different opinions regarding our dog's diets, not only average pet owners, but even the experts, canine nutritionalists and veteranarians will argue till the cows come home on this one. My point with that meaningless sentence is that YOU need to do research yourself, and find what YOU believe and what YOU feel works best for not only your dog, but yourself, re preperation, food storage etc.

    Also be aware that chicken mince in itself is the leaner of the meats. It contains less fat than many other meat types.

    The argument of vegies or not is never-ending...if you choose to give them, fine. They cannot digest them well so therefore, as Cleas has mentioned, perhaps purree them before adding to the meal? Certain vegies are believed to be good for specific ailments with dogs, but I tend not to bother with vegetables as I personally don't feel there is a need. A dog IS a carnivore.

    Eggs are great, and many ppl will allow their dog to disect and ingest the egg shell and all for nutrition reasons.

    Chicken wings, legs, necks, carcasses are all great, particularly if they are on special and you can buy them at that time in bulk and freeze.

    Meaty bones, such as mutton are excellent for weight gain due to the fat content.

    My one pet hate is the total crap quality of many foods being fed to dogs., particularly from supermarkets and many pet food outlets. I wouldn't eat it in a pink fit! Good meat means good healthy dog, and you CAN see the difference. You will also see that your dog needs less of quality meat than **** stuff, too.

    I could go on and on forever on this subject as it has been one that I have constantly studied most of my life, but I'll go and see what others think, hmmm?

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    Come to think about it Jodz, my husband has just pointed out to me that perhaps I should stay away from this thread, as I'm kind of biased about feeding dogs raw meat as I prefer to eat my meat raw too. Lol.

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    No No don't stay away I am still learning and need all the advice i can get...

    I had no idea that chicken was the leanest meat, i was just suggested it (and with research learnt it was the safest food to give with skin allergies)

    Vegies i just assumed they needed though i do know some are complete no go zones...

    I'll continue to look into rice and carbs, though i did know about barley and brown rice (as thats what we eat here lol)

    i didn't know about eggs, i would of thought the risk of salmonella would be too great..

    And i completely agree with you about the canned food, im not a fan and swore not to give it to her, but i purely ran out of options with her fussiness in trying to figure out what she had been brought up on, seem's i still can't figure it out lol

    As for vets, i've had one (the emergency vet i called to get some advice once) and she recommended a kibble diet only, i didn't like that idea...

    She's currently on advance for active dogs (cant remember if i said it in the first place) purely for the fattening up side of things... i'll have a look into the ones you mentioned, i let the sales assistant (who i've clued up a bit and he seemed like he knew his stuff) point me to the direction of that brand I know swapping and changing isn;t good for a dogs diet but once i get the right mix we'll be there for life! lol

    I really appreciate everything, and will look more into the threads.. I tried to barf diet on her (the ones you can buy) but she wasn't interested, so the blonde side of me didn;t think to still get the book.. oops! hahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post
    No No don't stay away I am still learning and need all the advice i can get...

    I had no idea that chicken was the leanest meat, i was just suggested it (and with research learnt it was the safest food to give with skin allergies)

    Vegies i just assumed they needed though i do know some are complete no go zones...

    I'll continue to look into rice and carbs, though i did know about barley and brown rice (as thats what we eat here lol)

    i didn't know about eggs, i would of thought the risk of salmonella would be too great..

    And i completely agree with you about the canned food, im not a fan and swore not to give it to her, but i purely ran out of options with her fussiness in trying to figure out what she had been brought up on, seem's i still can't figure it out lol

    As for vets, i've had one (the emergency vet i called to get some advice once) and she recommended a kibble diet only, i didn't like that idea...

    She's currently on advance for active dogs (cant remember if i said it in the first place) purely for the fattening up side of things... i'll have a look into the ones you mentioned, i let the sales assistant (who i've clued up a bit and he seemed like he knew his stuff) point me to the direction of that brand I know swapping and changing isn;t good for a dogs diet but once i get the right mix we'll be there for life! lol

    I really appreciate everything, and will look more into the threads.. I tried to barf diet on her (the ones you can buy) but she wasn't interested, so the blonde side of me didn;t think to still get the book.. oops! hahah
    Hi Jodz

    I am just going to throw something in here...don't take offense

    Ok...fyssy eater...OR has she just trained you well?

    I will rewind here some months to when we got Ruby...she is now 7 months old.

    We got this little cute Staffy girl at 8 weeks...Sumo was 5 months at that point. Sumo had always been a garbage gut and would inhale his food, so I thought she would be the same...but she wasn't! I gave her the food we got from the breeder...she wouldn't eat. I bought other stuff...she would take ONE mouthful and leave. This went on for days and I started to stress out. This subject ended up with hubby and I argueing, because he kept saying...SHE WILL NOT STARVE HERSELF....you just need to relax.

    I started questioning myself as to what I was doing wrong. So paint this mental picture...I could get her to eat if I was on the ground...pretending to eat out of her food bowl. All the advice I had given other people regarding achieving a good eater went out the window when it came to MY little girl. This was until one morning I gave her her food...she wouldn't eat UNLESS I was hand feeding her! I thought...I AM NOT sitting here hand feeding this dog...how ridiculous!

    Rule of thumb is...dogs will not starve themselves...period! I just had to snap out of my la la dream that she was doing it to be "naughty"...if you understand. She was doing it...because I let her...pure and simple.

    So it was a new day at the household. I made rules...Sumo was eating in his crate...Ruby was eating in hers, so she couldn't just leave. I said...it's tucker time...took her to her crate and gave her the food. She looked at me with those big brown eyes and didn't eat a thing. I gave her 20 minutes...opened the crate and took her food away. Some routine at lunch....tucker time... ...she didn't eat...I took food away. Dinner time...the same and by now she was looking thoroughly sad...not eating...I took food after 20 minutes. Next day breakfast...nope...no eating. Then came lunch time...put her in crate...closed the door and said eat your food...and she ate it all. I opened up and praised her like she won the Gold medal at the Olympics. Note...the times she had refused her food...I ignored her...I didn't tell her off either. Now...the praising bit is important...she figured out when she had eaten...HUGE praise etc. She would be sitting at the crate door...waiting for me to open it when she had finished...it was really cute

    From that time...she ate her food when it was served!

    What I am saying is...your dog will not starve itself...it is simply not genetically wired to do so. Dogs are not born fussy eaters...we make them that way by giving in...by changing foods when they don't eat. A fussy eater knows that something better will come along if they don't eat their "boring" kibble.

    You NEED to choose a food and stick with it...one that works for YOU and one you are happy feeding! DO NOT give in when she doesn't eat by giving something else. Stick to your feeding regime...whether it is once or twice a day. Follow the step...give food...allow to eat for 15-20 min...take food away and give same measured amount at next feeding time. If she is still not eating at the end of day 3...firstly, I will be very surprised and secondly...take her to vet to get checked out

    Good luck
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    haah Cles i was literally coming on here to say i think im being played like a fool LOL LOL

    last 2 nights she wouldn't eat refused to and i was worrying a little (not a lot, purely because shes on Anti b's which could put her off her food)..

    Anyhow i tried to entice her to eat by putting a few biccies in my hand,, guess what, she ate it!!! I showed her the bowl NOTHING... left it for 20 mins, went back and tried again would eat in my hand not from teh bowl....

    So obviously im not about to stand there and feed a dog a kg of food by hand LOL, so i think you're right, i think i am being played like a fool...

    I will be sticking with a raw diet, purely because a) i think its more natural and b) i do think she prefers it MORE then canned/polony (and the times she WILL eat it does seem to agree with her more)

    I cant believe i fell for it grrr haahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post
    haah Cles i was literally coming on here to say i think im being played like a fool LOL LOL

    last 2 nights she wouldn't eat refused to and i was worrying a little (not a lot, purely because shes on Anti b's which could put her off her food)..

    Anyhow i tried to entice her to eat by putting a few biccies in my hand,, guess what, she ate it!!! I showed her the bowl NOTHING... left it for 20 mins, went back and tried again would eat in my hand not from teh bowl....

    So obviously im not about to stand there and feed a dog a kg of food by hand LOL, so i think you're right, i think i am being played like a fool...

    I will be sticking with a raw diet, purely because a) i think its more natural and b) i do think she prefers it MORE then canned/polony (and the times she WILL eat it does seem to agree with her more)

    I cant believe i fell for it grrr haahah
    Haven't we all at some point

    Good luck with the new feeding regime Jodz

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