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    Red face Sardines??

    What is the general opinion out there regarding sardines??
    Is it ok/safe to feed my puppy (4month old bulldog) 125g tin of sardines and 1 raw egg for breakfast everyday as recommend by friend??

    Appreciate all opinions/views/feedback.

    Thanks ;-)

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    Hi Chumps

    I'm not much of a diet expert. But I guess I'd like to know what else you're feeding. And what your target weight would be.

    I feed my dog a couple of dessert spoons of yogurt mixed with half a cup of water for breakfast - cos she's on a bit of a diet. But she is all grown up. When she was a puppy, I followed the directions on the dried dog food for puppy, soaked that in water and she got a bit of cheese or roast beef cut into tiny bits for training treats.

    In a tin of brunswick sardines in olive oil - usually get three bits of sardine. And I would give one of these a day max. And spread the tin over a week. I think if I fed what you're proposing - she'd get the runs.

    My dog won't eat raw egg by itself (what a fuss pot) but she will eat a boiled egg - which is very funny to watch, and I'd only give one of those a week tops but it's usually less.

    A whole tin of sardines and an egg - is a good sized brekky for an adult human - and is probably too much for a puppy.

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    Depends what else you are feeding. Puppies need a balanced diet. I dont think I would be feeding that every day. I would make it part of a balanced diet. I ususally buy lean mince, or other human grade meat when on special and make up a batch of raw mince/meat, sardines, raw egg, yoghurt or cottage cheese, fish oil, some vegies like cooked pumpkin, grated carrot, apple peas etc and weigh it into 200g lots. I feed this 2-3 times a week in conjunction with a good quality kibble. The rest of the time I feed kibble and also raw meaty bones once a week.

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    Thanks for your comments!
    Round lunch time I feed him a small raw chicken wing and dinner time he gets a home made mixture of veggies with lightly cooked, but mostly raw mince (kangaroo, chicken and lamb).
    I think I over feed him - it seems quite a bit but my vet told me that you can't over feed puppies under 6 months. I'm not sure what my target weight is??? I though he would just grow into whatever he would grow into - but is his adult size going to be determined by food intake quantity? If so then I will definitely cut back! (I apologize for my naivety).
    Thanks again ;-)

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    Yes you need to make sure that you are feeding the right balance of minerals. Unless you are prepared to do all the neccessary research to balance the diet and understand how to make up a good home made diet you would probably be better off feeding at least part of his diet a good quality dog biscuit. You can most defintely over feed puppies, I have seen some very fat puppies in my time and you can do irreparable damage to growing joints. I am surprised your vet wasnt more helpful

    I always grow my puppies out lean to minimise any long term effects on cruciates, hip and elbow joints etc. especially those heavier build dogs. There are some very crucial stages in joint development in that first 6 months, you just have to look at the xrays of a developing puppy to see that. The elbow joint is at a critical development phase at 4-5 months.

    Surely your breeder has given you advice on diet? I am surprised that you havent come home with a puppy pack, diet sheets and a discusion on the diet before bringing him home! That is what usually happens. Can you ring your breeder?

    I always use my eye and hands to check their condition and there is plenty of info on what is healthy for various breeds. To me there is nothing more potentially damaging to growing joints and bones than a puppy alowed to get too fat.
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    If you've got a standard (English) bulldog - target weight would be around 20 to 25 kg.

    If you've got an Aussie bulldog - I have no idea.

    I've also seen dogs I'd describe as miniature English bulldogs... and again - no idea what those are supposed to weigh but they're half the size of the English bulldog.

    this offers a reasonable guide for an English Bulldog. Many photos of them on the web including the one on dog breed info and the purina site - look fat/obese to me.
    https://baggybulldogs.wordpress.com/...-weight-chart/

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    Thanks again for all your comments..

    He is suppose to be mini aussie bulldog.

    (however due to difficulties during purchasing process I no longer have contact with breeder - i dont believe anything they say - I have a beautiful little companion for which I am very grateful for).

    Yes he came with a very basic puppy pack - the only thing about nutrition it mentions is that when he arrived to me at 8weeks he was on two meals a day consisting of pasta and lamb mince. I have since taken him off pasta as after thorough research it seems a grain free/pasta free diet is best (he also has terrible tear stains so I was recommended to get the pasta out of his diet to help with this also).

    I do give him a calcium supplement as recommended by vet - he also every few days gets a bit of puppy milk.

    I am in the process of trying to find a good dry food for him but geez its hard - trying to find something organic with no nasty chemicals/additives/preservatives etc.

    I appreciate your comments about overfeeding too - I hadn't taken into consideration the risks with having him too heavy whilst growing - what you said makes perfect sense, and now I am questioning my vets advice - maybe i look around for another opinion and/or vet.

    Again a massive thanks for your help and advice, I was so naive about all this, maybe im too overprotective but its so easy to try your best and think your doing the right thing when in reality you could be causing harm without knowing!

    Thanks

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    Hi Chumps

    Bad luck about the breeder. I have read that story more than once about any kind of bulldog that includes the word "Aussie"... sadly.

    I think what some of them are trying to do - breed a healthier shaped dog - is great but some of their follow up is best described as non existent or rude even.

    The contact for this club might be able to help. You don't have one of their dogs so you will have to be upfront and say you didn't know any different when you got your puppy. But what they have to say about diet and shape / having a waist, not fat, should be useful. It's a difficult shape to judge as far as weight goes but you should be able to feel ribs in an adult without pushing... and there should be a definite tuck waist up and in ahead of the hips.
    Queensland Bulldog Club

    Puppies are tricker to judge because they often have loads of rolls of loose skin to grow into.

    Vets are interesting. A lot of them don't like to confront owners about their dog's weight. So they will only say when asked. Saying you can't feed a puppy too much is a bit over the top tho. Maybe someone in the bulldog club can recommend a vet more familiar with that breed.

    And their page recommends a food that might work for you. Organic and no nasties is hard to get in dry dog food but I think it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chumps View Post
    Again a massive thanks for your help and advice, I was so naive about all this, maybe im too overprotective but its so easy to try your best and think your doing the right thing when in reality you could be causing harm without knowing!

    Thanks
    Yeah been there.

    I use several brands of dog biscuit. Wellness core is a grain free kibble I use, also other products in the Welness range (which is American I think). I use this in conjunction with Black Hawk which is Australian made. I have used the New Zealand Ziwi Peak in the past but this expensive if you have multiple dogs but might be an option for one dog. Earthborn grain free is another one that my dogs did well on.

    The other option is the commercial BARF RAW diet. There are several manufacturers of this diet and they come in conveniently packed single portions which can be frozen. I use these too.

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