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    Jessie is a 6 year old American Staffordshire Terrier who for the last 12 months every 2-3 months will be sick with vomiting, lethargy and stops eating but she does continue to drink but stops drinking if given a needle to stop the vomiting (it is usually all over my daughter's bed).....we have just paid a fortune for blood tests to try and find out what is wrong with her.....she hasn't got cancer, diabetes, Cushings disease, kidney or liver failure, diabetes or pancreatitis the only thing her liver enzymes were up a little but it is normal with the anti-seizure medication she is on.....the vet wants to let her get over this which she is nearly back to normal and the next time it happens will have to take her in to put her on a special diet for a sensitive stomach

    Has anyone else encountered anything of similar things happen to their family pets as I am at a loss as to what to do or do we just let it happen and just get her through it like we have done so for the last 12 months and put her on the special diet next time it happens

    Just after some advice on what people think it could be or if not what they would do

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    I had a problem where my dog was getting the runs about every two weeks eg she'd get the runs, I'd put her fast for one day then boiled chicken and rice for two days then back to normal diet and about a week later or so - she'd get the runs again...

    I swapped from that dog food (advance) to nutro natural choice and she stopped getting the runs.

    I couldn't really explain why. She's been fine on black hawk as well, and she does ok on super coat - short term but that increase the total amount of crap by a factor of three. Not fun.

    I'd be checking the back yard for some other food source - is someone throwing stuff over the fence that is bad? Or is she catching the occasional rat sack rat? (tho blood tests would have shown rat sack - I think). Eating one rat that is dying of rat sack won't usually kill a big dog but can make it very sick.

    Sometimes if my dog eats bones - they can get stuck (so mostly she doesn't get them at all), and she will eat a lot of grass and then have a massive vomit. Sometimes if her dinner is too hot or too cold (I make a dog food casserole and only supplement that with kibble these days) or she eats it too fast - that will come back to haunt us.

    You might want to get a sample of her output from both ends - next time she gets sick - so that can be tested for problems. (ask vet for special plastic sample jars). This will cost $$

    What are you feeding her? What are the first five listed ingredients for that?

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    Thanks Hyacinth...

    hope you dog stays well.....

    Jessie did vomit at the vets but all she brings up is her tea from that night then it goes to the yellow bile and then white foamy stuff because she has nothing left in her stomach.....we do not have rats around here or mice but if we did I question why out two other dogs would not be getting sick as our other dog Pink has quite a huge prey drive and would probably beat Jessie into catching a rat or mouse.....

    we get along with all of our neighbours who love our dogs all around our property so I really do not think they are throwing food over the fence and if they did Dezzy is so food possessive it would be an all out brawl because there is food in the backyard.....as to the suggestion of bones they do not get bones due to the fighting but they do get chicken carcasses under strict supervision but she does not have a problem with bones and her tea last time was with the chicken mince I feed her......

    she gets fed chicken mince with no preservatives, beef mince with no preservatives, tuna in vegetable oil and chicken carcasses twice a week and also black hawk but she was also being sick when I had them on Supercoat but changed to Black Hawk....it is so hard to have all these tests done and cannot find out what is wrong with her.....the only good thing is we know that it is not something nasty and just hoping a sensitive stomach maybe due to her seizures and the medication she is on....keep fingers crossed for her because I feel totally helpless when she is sick like this but at least she keeps drinking
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    chicken carcasses twice a week
    Maybe try changing these to frozen turkey necks or chicken wings or something else. If she's getting sick every 3 months - you will have to try changing one part of the diet for at least that long.

    I don't think I could ever feed my dog chicken carcasses. I saw an episode of Bondi Vet where the kelpie had inhaled her chicken carcass dinner - and Roger Ramvet - ended up pulling out nearly a whole chicken back bone... Obviously breaking up the carcass and chewing it was not a priority for that dog.

    Competition (perceived or real) from other dogs (since you have more than one dog) - maybe this one is hoovering her chicken carcass and that is causing problems.

    My dog will break up a chicken wing without breaking the skin and then sort of fold it up and swallow it whole... and that whole thing will come back to haunt us - many hours later. Eewww...

    Also I'd consider changing providers for the chicken mince - or using human grade chicken mince for a few months. There are a lot less rules about the supply of pet food than for human food so if the food doesn't immediately kill your dog - you wouldn't know if you got a bad batch. The shop might not know if they got a bad batch.

    Usually what is sold as "chicken mince" for pets - is actually minced chicken carcass - and that stuff made my mum's dog very sick because the bones formed an impaction in the end of her gut. My mum thought she was buying minced chicken - not stuff with bones like needle splinters all through it.

    I don't know if the medication affects her ability to digest food - but you could google the active ingredients or the drug name and find the list of side effects for it (even if it's only the list for humans).

    I'd be thinking the main culprit would be something she had in the last 12 hours ish, eg the chicken carcass or the chicken mince.

    Some dogs are allergic to chicken - I think there is some blood or hair test you can do to check that.

    PS I'm just making stabs in the dark and hoping someone else will recognise the symptoms or have their own story to tell that will help.

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    I have had a similar problem with my mini schnauzer. Random vomiting every few months or so that I am never sure what has been the cause. I do know that I need to bypass ANY fat in her diet and have found that potato seems to be a culprit too. I suspect corn is an issue and try to avoid that. She is fed raw beef mince (human grade) sometimes with vegies and supercoat for sensitive skin and stomach. Trouble is corn is an ingredient. Also we have had trouble with a lot of itching which can be allergy related.
    I moved her over to vets all natural which I give with raw mince or beef/kangaroo cubed meat. Her itching has been a little better and so far, fingers crossed, no recent vomiting episodes. I have noticed that she tends to scoff her food and will burp a little while after. Any vomiting seemed to occur in the night as there was evidence in the morning. It did not seem to bother her only that she was hungry in the morning.
    I can sympathise with you how frustrating this is and I have had to do a lot of trial and error with food. Last time she had a run of random vomits the vet did blood tests but nothing showed up and seems it may be an allergy issue.

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    thanks Hyacinth...chicken carcasses are eaten under strict supervision so not only do I have to worry about the dogs choking on them but if a little bit is left there may be an outbreak of fighting between the trio......Jessie does chew up chicken wings and turkey necks but always brings them back up especially the wings.....the chicken mince I get is from an actual dog food place that supplies all of the greyhound breeders around our town and I have always fed this chicken mince since I have had her which is 4 1/2 years....they have not changed their mince at all as I have checked with them and also I feed her beef mince and tuna which she has also thrown up with.....which is every 2-3 months.....also thanks for the article on potassium bromide but Jessie has only just been put on to this medication.....she was on Phenomav for the first year then she started having these episodes....the only thing I have changed is the Black Hawk but she got sick with exactly the same thing when she was on Supercoat but I think they were more severe on the Supercoat and even though she is still sick every 2-3 months it is not as severe on Black Hawk....it really is a mystery and I really hope people can keep suggesting things that maybe I haven't tried as I would really like to find out what is going on with our gorgeous girl

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    thanks schnautz....I may give kangaroo a go and maybe the beef mince and see how she goes......she does not have any corn but does have some vegies but no pasta as my dogs get very fat on pasta.....I look forward to any suggestions anyone can make and when she is sick during the night she has lethargy and vomiting for 24-48 hours then she is back to her normal self again

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    Jessie does chew up chicken wings and turkey necks but always brings them back up especially the wings
    She doesn't chew up wings or turkey necks properly but she does do a good job of chicken carcass? Maybe - every now and again - she does a really bad job of chicken carcass and it gets stuck...

    When you say you supervise the eating of your dogs' dinners - can they still see each other while they're eating? Because even tho you're supervising - this might still contribute to "competitive eating" where they put more effort into scoffing the food as fast as possible and less into actually making sure they've chewed it up properly.
    Something else you could try is to put Jessie into a room or crate where she cannot see any of the other dogs. Ideally where she can't hear them either but not-see is a start.

    I think I'd do this with all the dogs - put them each where they can't see (or hear) any of the others and see if this helps.

    There might be only imagined danger but that's enough for a dog. My friend's bull terrier recently cost her 6K to get a bone out - because the dog was scoffing a bone and then inhaled it and jammed it in her chest, because of the imagined threat from the poodle next door on the other side of a fence.

    There's also some special food bowls and kibble dispensers that force a dog to eat more slowly. I sometimes load Frosty's kibble quota into a bob-a-lot - I used to put that into a soft sided crate but she's so violent with it that she dug holes in the floor of the crate, and then she broke the plastic floor of the metal crate... can't win there. The bob a lot itself has survived with minor chew marks but she hasn't really chomped hard on that - I take it away if she tries that. And she'd rather have the food then come get me to fill it up again.

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    @Schnautz

    You might want to try one of these instead of super coat

    no corn. meat meal / protein listed first. They might be more expensive per kg but you also feed less of it than supercoat and you will get less dog crap too.

    Dog Food | BlackHawk Pet Care

    http://www.nutro.com.au/our-pet-food...-rice-formula/

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