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    Brian has skin condition, yeast infection. Probably due to allergies?
    When we got brian, he was on pedigree chum kibble.
    We swapped him to raw, a few maleseb soaks, and 4wks later, the fur had grown back. This last week, its back. That smell was noticed yesterday, so we are back to bathing him with malaseb. I am not going to be taking Brian to the vet. so lets not bother with that suggestion. As i have no money to do so right now. And this can be home treated, i have 'access' one way or another, to most lotions/potions vet would prescribe anyhow. I am not a frequent flyer at vets sorta owner.

    I need to change my dogs diets. Raw, for 3 large dogs, is more than i can afford. And i am making cuts right now to pay for Pohm's operation, so every penny helps!

    Does anyone have a kibble recommendation for dogs with sensitive skin (brian) and what price is this? I prefer dry as we are coming into summer. I will still add, veggies for pohm as she's a hungry dog and needs filling without calories like her mum lol

    I also will be swapping Bernie and Pohm over too. But neither has special dietry requirements, both adult.
    The only time i use kibble is when we go camping, and all 3 have had black hawk then. < way too expensive for a viable option now.

    so, for any owners out there of yeasty dogs, what are you feeding?
    and any suggestions re Brian's skin would be well read too.
    And is swimming bad or good for yeasty dogs? does it wash off the maleseb? or the betadine rinse he has after a maleseb bath?

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    'bernie' - friends of mine are using the following for one of their GSDs that used to have skin and ear problems and they are happy with it:

    PURINA SUPERCOAT - Dog Range - Sensitive Gentle Formula with Real Fish

    With Brian - the only thing I can suggest is after swimming - make sure you dry him off properly. With all his skin folds and the weather warming up - it wouldn't take much for bacteria to find a perfect breeding ground.

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    I am in the process of changing from Nutro LPB to VIP PETFOODS NATURES GOODNESS GRAINFREE+
    ALL NATURAL HOLISTIC BLEND. Australian made and sold in Woolies.

    The only problem I have is it is only sold in 1 1\2 and 3 kilo bags. Can't remember the price per kilo, think it was dearer than Supercoat but heaps cheaper than Nutro.

    My Brian has itchy ears, the vet can't find any infection, says its probably allergy. She prescribed an ear wash which we use once a week. I am trying the grain free kibble to see if it makes a difference.
    Brian also has chicken frames and necks, liver, hearts, roo and beef mince and marrowbones There is no way I could fill him up on raw alone, nor could I afford too.

    Coconut oil may help with your Brian's coat. I give mine a big spoonful each day on top of his dinner, his coat glistens like satin.

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    'bernie' - usual amount of food recommended to be fed to a dog is ~ 2 - 3% of the dog's ideal body weight.

    Have a look at these links:

    Dr Bruces Vets All Natural - Natural Pet Products, Healthy Pets - Home

    Nutrition for Dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emm318 View Post
    I am in the process of changing from Nutro LPB to VIP PETFOODS NATURES GOODNESS GRAINFREE+
    ALL NATURAL HOLISTIC BLEND. Australian made and sold in Woolies.

    The only problem I have is it is only sold in 1 1\2 and 3 kilo bags. Can't remember the price per kilo, think it was dearer than Supercoat but heaps cheaper than Nutro.
    'Emm318' - VIP - price per kilo is similar to BlackHawk - @ ~ $5 per kilo for the 3 kg bag and then ~ $4 per kilo for the 7 kg bag. If on special at Woolies - then obviously less per kilo.

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    Big Dog is a website for large dog owners, wanting to feed either Barf or Phuds. Pawfectionist's interest.
    But i could beat both in price, with modified satin balls. Using cheap meat this week.
    Ive come back in, as managed to source the apple cider vinegar. Just need to find the link, and he's on it.

    Other dogs are being fed dried food. Kibble. Plus bones and veg and supplements.
    Pohm has added to hers, my pulp from juicer also.

    The problem with most of suggestions, is when you check ingredients list, you find wheat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    'bernie' - usual amount of food recommended to be fed to a dog is ~ 2 - 3% of the dog's ideal body weight.

    Have a look at these links:

    Dr Bruces Vets All Natural - Natural Pet Products, Healthy Pets - Home

    Nutrition for Dogs
    Thanks for link Riley. Im currently feeding brian 1.2kg daily for him. Plus bones, and veggies. We dont have access to scales to check on weight maintenance/gain here, and was planning to get to vet to use their scales, but with Pohm needing me here, that's not happened so far.
    He loves his homemade dinner! its gone fast enough. And if i start seeing ribs, i'll add more food. As unlikely to get to a vet.

    I started using the apple cider vinegar in drinking water. But its not separate supply for Brian, so all dogs on it now. Cant do any harm. His skin has stopped getting worse at this point. HIs bare pathches have moved from just neck/feet, to half way down his spine. The last bath with maleseb and change of diet was Thursday. Fingers crossed this halts it/heals it.

    Ive been feeding Brian 3% of body weight. < which is why he's so expensive to feed lol!

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    Hi Bernie,

    The 2-3% thing is a really rough guide. I have just put an article in the nutrition section (ultimate raw diet) that shows how you calculate the energy for any meat or veg product you feed, but I get that for a lot of people this is too much work. its a shame you cant afford the meat. I use a discount butcher, but then again I only need around 500g of meat and offal for a 20kg dog. I buy roasting beef at $6 a kilo, but again with large and multiple dogs I understand that it adds up.

    This answer is more about your dogs skin allergies. My dog has had a lot of them, and I have found that maleseb worked really well initially, but you need to keep it on for 10 minutes. There is now a paw product that you need to keep on for about half the time. My vet also told me that using a medicated conditioner is vital for these medicated shampoos as they really strip the oils.

    Swimming wise, yes they need to be washed and dried afterwards. The issue is if the water is dirty (like our bay in Melbourne often is) then you really need to wash them each time afterwards, and over washing can strip oils. Then if you use a blow drier, like I do once a week, then it can dry the skin out too much if you are not careful.

    The biggest tip I would have for you and that massively helped my dog is using essential fatty acids (omega oils). Note it takes up to four months to work, and for a long time I only used omega 3 fish oil, but you have to use omega 6 in the right ratio too. The flax seeds or vegetable source omega 3 in kibble is close to useless, so you need to administer your own. Particualarly for a dog with skin allergies. It is quite complex to start with until you get the absolute amounts and the ratios right. I made this guide up after researching it in-depth (from science papers, not the general internet). The ultimate DOGS Essential Fatty Acid (Omega 3, 6) nutriton guide

    I use Sunflower oil as the source of Omega 6 for my dog only because it was readily available, but their are higher omega 6 sources if you seek them out.

    Besides ear washes, I still use maleseb diluted 20 to 1 as recommended by my vet on his feet, If I can keep his feet licking under control then it will keep his immunity up high enough to fight off ear infections (fungal) and vet visits.

    good luck!
    Bruce is a "dog walker in inner west Melbourne" & sells "Healthy Dog treats." My dog Archie approves of these things.

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    ty lovely dog.
    My other dogs are thinking their kibble is LUXURY! they love it. Its new, give them time lol
    Brian's enjoying his raw. And ive made so many changes, i now dont know what's helping. the hair loss patches, have ceased progression, there is regrowth.
    So its a combi of raw diet no wheat, ACV. And the Malaseb i always leave on him for 10 minute soak, not an issue. I had to laugh at hair dryer suggestions. My idea of bathing dogs is a hose pipe outside. My 6 yr old dog has recently had his 2nd bath ever lol
    I am not a believer in dog baths, but understand its popular pass time for some dog/human pairs.

    But ive been drying brian off, after hosing him down post swim. And using ACV topically on bare patches.
    the omega 3 and 6 article is awesome, thanks for the link!

    First 'allergic'/sensitive dog ive owned. What a pain in the butt they are. But something is at last working. And no smell AT ALL now.
    Brilliant deodoriser!
    Speaking of which, whilst i struggle to train brian in useful stuff like, heel, sit, drop. When i say 'lift' he puts his arms up for me to spray ACV in his armpits. Cute as!

    He starts obedience classes next week. that'll be fun. Its with a local obedience club, and the trainer and i have taken our dogs coursing together, she was excited i was bringing a dog to her class. Ive advised, er, this is not my usual sort of dog. Its a mastiff lol

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