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    Default Stem Cells.

    I have lovely old dog "Kodi", who is currently suffering with arthritis in both her back knees and her left elbow. She has been having cartrophen injections and although there has been a bit of improvement she is not great.
    She doesn't complain but she struggles to get up and get down and the vet reckons that she is in pain.

    I had a vet visit today and she had another cartrophen injection but was recommended to put her on anti-inflammatories as well as sasha's blend plus more cartrophen injections.

    I was told that this will help with the pain but ultimately her legs will fail her and eventually she will need to be put down as she will probably be unable to toilet herself.

    She is 13 and a half years old and i know that eventually the time will come for her to say goodbye, but it still hurt hearing this.

    I was recommended one other thing. Stem cells!

    They take a sample of fat from her side and put it in their special machine for three hours to separate the stem cells and then it's injected back into her joints that need it.
    It is supposed to rebuild the cartilage that has disappeared.

    I am just wondering if anyone has been down this route before or know of anyone that has?

    I don't want my old girl suffering and from what i've read it seems to have a fairly good success rate.

    I just really wanted peoples opinions on this or whether i'm mad to even consider it.
    Thanks.
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    It's a fairly new thing and not overly studied. I do know there have been some cowboys trying to cash in on the potential. If you want to give it a go, make sure you have it done by a reputable and experienced vet clinic - not by someone offering a cheap deal.

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    Stem cells can do wonderful things. There's an Australian company Avita Medical Ltd (ASX:AVH) that has developed a spray on skin using stem cells. It was originally created to help deal with the victims of the bali bombings but has since progressed to even rejuvinating(sp?) old wrinkled skin. Dr. Fiona Wood (Australian of the year several years back) is the brains behind it. So I think there is every chance that stem cells can help with your dogs problems, but like nattylou said, finding someone who really knows what they're doing and whether it will work in your case is going to be the hard part.

    At 13 and a half years old, you really need to ask yourself is it both financially worthwhile and if your dog will have a decent quality of life afterwards. No one but yourself can come to that decision but please keep your dogs quality of life as the most important part of the equation.

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    Thankyou both for your replies.

    It will be the vet i currently see who will be doing it plus they also bring in a specialist.
    He has done the procedure quite a few times before and also has the advantages of being able to store some of the stem cells for future use if need be.
    He has also done older dogs than mine.
    He said that hips and knee joints seem to produce better results than the elbows.
    She gets all her joints x-rayed as well as her spine so they know which areas to treat.
    She is monitored constantly while she is out to it which is really the part that was worrying me.
    As far as i can see this will be the best possible thing to try and improve her quality of life.
    Apart from the arthritis she is in very good health which is why i would hate to have her put down when the rest of her is going ok.
    The cost isn't cheap but it's less than i expected and thanks to mr tax man paying me back some of the money he took off me last financial year i can afford it and would rather spend it on making her ok than anything else.
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    Doing the xrays - would usually require a general anaesthetic to keep the dog still - and as far as I know - is more risky in an older dog.

    I have heard of vets giving their own dogs the stem cell treatment. I haven't heard whether it's worth the effort or not. I think that's still a study in progress.

    A key question to ask the vet might be "if it was your dog, what would you do?".

    A question for yourself - and maybe in consultation with the vet - is what is a usual life expectancy for Kodi's type of dog, and how long would a stem cell treatment give relief for? How long would it take to be effective?

    So if the answers came back something like your average kodi type dog lives to 14 (without being PTS for lack of mobility) and the treatment wouldn't start to be helpful for 6 months, and would only last 6 months before needing to be done again...

    would you bother then?

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    Is the "specialist" qualified?? I have known of laypeople being employed to do this - basically just being given an instruction book or demonstration...

    If you're paying for a service make sure you get what you pay for. Veterinary stemcell work has been a largely unregulated corner of the industry so tread very carefully indeed.

    Even vet clinic staff can be fooled by a sales pitch - always request to see qualifications.

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    Can I ask what it cost for said treatments approx?
    Feel free to have a look at our canine health supplement site - kingly-pet.com

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    Once again,thankyou for everyones answers and replies.

    I did ask the vet what he would do if it was his dog and he said this is the first thing he would do.

    She will be sedated for the x-rays and to have the stem cells removed and she is monitored constantly while she is out to it to make sure she is handling the anaesthetic ok.( This is the part that is worrying me, if she'll be ok while she's out and if she'll wake back up ok.)

    She is then bought back round while the stem cells are removed from the fat cells etc (takes three hours).

    Then she is sedated again but not so she is unconscious, just so she is immobile, and the stem cells are injected back into the joints that need it.

    She stays at the vet overnight.

    My actual vet does the injecting of the stem cells, so i assume the other one is there to process the stem cells. Will check up on that.

    He told me that results can be seen in as early as a week. He believes that the results will last her out the rest of her days but i didn't ask what he thought her time span was. If it helps she is a bull mastiff/bull arab/great dane. She's not a huge dog and weighs in at about 50kg's.

    At the end of the day i don't want Kodi to be suffering or in pain. Even if she only has 6 months left, if this treatment can give her six months pain free than it will be worth it to me.

    The cost is $1800.
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    If there had been something like this that would have helped my beloved Chubb
    I would have done it in a heartbeat.
    However he had cancer and it was terminal.
    If you get 6 more months of happy time together, that is priceless.
    Go with your heart.

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    Vet would do it if it was his dog (check)
    Results in a week (check)
    no general anaesthetic (check)
    Last as long as the dog (check)
    $1800 (ouch) but I think I'd do it. Might ask for an estimate on doggy life expectancy but given he said he'd do it if it was his dog - I imagine he expects the dog to last more than half a year or so.
    Cartrophen (according to Dr Google) takes about 4 weeks for results to be noticeable.

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