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    Bernie has a luxiating patella and arthritis in his stifle joint and its gotten cold now. We have been overseas for 3 weeks without my dogs, returned yesterday and the weather in Aus has definitely gone into autumn winter feel.
    I noticed a change in bernie. He's slow to get up first thing in morning this winter. That wasn't like that last winter.

    So we have given him fish oil, heating is on, a new more padded and warm bed to lie on. He's at a good weight, im told not a great candidate for surgery, due to arthritis allready and stage 3 injury (which i cannot afford anyhow) and will be 6yrs of age soon.

    He has pain killers (steroid based) and due to my dislike of chronic use of steroids, ive held off giving him the steroids. But today, i gave him one this morning and he's back to happy self and more mobile. My fear of steroids, comes from having seen a asthmatic child treated with steroids, is now infertile and has 2 auto immune diseases, both linked with chronic steroid use during childhood, as a adult. And a dog on them for severe reaction to fleas, and his immune system began to fail on them.

    Does anyone have a dog on steroidal pain killers long term? what's your experience of this.
    Any any other tips for giving arthritic dogs less pain?

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    remember painkillers mask pain - is he better off limiting himself or is it just a bit of short term inflammation?

    As for his weight arthritic and leg sore dogs are better off being on the lighter side. Muscle is important yes, body fat, no. Rug the dog up from afternoon onwards and keep him warm, raised bed etc.

    I found fish oil is a minimum, I also use the 1000+ mg dosage human glucosamine/chondroiten/msm products, fresh/raw diet as much as you can and strip off all the excess weight. Limit the dogs exposure to the cold whether they feel good enough to run around or not, they will pay for it later. My rottie was without pain meds for the remaining 2 1/2 years we had him and only when it was the end did I give him enough to get him through that night. He was limited, yes, but he did OK for a dog with no hip sockets and ED.

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    If you've only got six months to live and steroids will make that time more comfortable - then I would but otherwise - I'd rather live with the pain. (I might regret writing that later). They do too much long term damage.

    And Nekhbet is right about dogs (and horses and football players) needing pain to stop them from running round like children when their joints need gentle exercise eg swimming or cycling. Good luck getting the dog to ride a bike but walking is not too bad. walking in water is better.

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    Thanks guys.
    I will add 1000+ mg dosage human glucosamine/chondroiten/msm once i find it.
    He's fed raw anyhow. With Satin balls for 1 week each month just to keep his weight on.
    he's always been skinny. So that's paying dividends now.

    "Limit the dogs exposure to the cold whether they feel good enough to run around or not, they will pay for it later" Nekhbet, i so needed to hear that. I get all caught up with how much he WANTS to hunt/track/swim or whatever it is that day. And have been allowing him to do too much. Going for quality of life, rather than quantity of life.
    I have always exercised my dogs early, and i mean early, often with a torch lol, as i work in mornings, and too tired when i get back from work/cooked etc.
    so i tried to change that up today.
    I didnt take them out this morning. They know im home, and therefore they should be going out. My bedroom was broken into by 2 dogs, with a gumboot each in their gobs.
    And having got home tonight after a late shift. Have gone to take them out, and Pohm is NOT getting off her bed for a walk now. Bernie and i went alone. But its cold tonight as well.
    I cant possibly put a coat on a long haired GSD. But might try some bandage socking over his stiffle? That might help.
    Im cursing my stone floors right now, so cold. But ive tried moving his bed into the lounge. We have a rule that dogs cant step on carpet here. Bernie wont go on the carpet. Just collapses in confusion at the periphery.
    6 yrs of training, will take some time to overcome.
    any ideas for a quick fix on getting him on carpet?

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    I didn't like steroids because of the kidney and liver side effects. My 9 year old dog is on tramadol (morphine) twice a day and he's fine. Had him checked this week and so far so good.

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    lead him onto the carpet with commands and command him to lay on his bed.

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    I know they look ridiculous but if you can get some in decent fabric walk him out in something like this, nice thick polar fleece to keep the chill off. Some dog boots too might help keep his feet warm and prevent the heat draining through the pads.

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    'bernie' - have a look at this link for something that may help Bernie:

    Rose-Hip Vital Canine

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    Thanks rileyj

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    Bernie.. have you tried 'rapigel'? You just rub it on the sore bits and it's EXCELLENT - I can not recommend it enough! It's designed for horses and greyhounds so safe to use on dogs and although it's mainly used on muscles, I find it works fantastic on arthritis and similar things. My horse is getting old and stiff now due to arthritis, I put some 'rapigel' on his joints and within minutes he's running around like a yearling, bucking and carrying on.

    It's great to use on people too, my father-in-law was due to have a shoulder reconstruction, I put him onto this stuff and he instantly felt better than he has in 10 years.. the physio was amazed by the improvement and no need for surgery anymore. I put it on my back whenever I have back pain and it's just great Now I keep a jar next to my bed

    It's only about $20 a jar (has lasted over a month being used on my horse daily) so is great value and you can buy it from the petstore or easily online Rapigel 250g: Buy Rapigel online at Horse Supplies Direct.

    I really can not explain how amazing it is.. worth a try?

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