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    You might need two crates, one for each Lab.

    Mainly you feed them for being inside the crate. Give them all their treats and toys - inside the crate.

    Then gradually up the challenge by shutting the door for short periods of time then longer periods of time. If dog barks or gets too excited - you might need to cover the crate up with a sheet. If the dog starts pulling the sheet into the crate - you need to put a card board moving box or two flat over the top and then the sheet - so the sheet does not touch the sides where the dog can reach it.

    If the dog is quiet, you lift up some of the sheet...

    But ideally you've opened the door and fed some treats inside the crate before the barking ever starts.

    And you make a game out of going in the crate to get treats / dinner / good things. If your dog gets bones, then make sure your dog gets all bones inside the crate... Bone munching time is a good time to practice shutting the door. You can get two crates and set them up side by side and train both dogs. And maybe put a moving box or large slab of cardboard between so they can't see each other. You can build up to that. I know when my dog is in her crate next to her friend in her crate - both dogs are a lot happier than when they're on their own. Tho it can be hard to get the friend dog out of Frosty's crate sometimes... But you can start with them together and then separate little by little then mix it up so sometimes they're together and sometimes not... But anything would be better than poor dog being shoved in a strange crate in a strange place with no previous experience, no friends and a lot of upset animals.

    Susan Garrett has a dvd called "crate games" you can get from Crate Games (Canada) or Susan Garrett's Crate Games (Australian site based in Queensland)

    It's probably cheaper to get from Queensland cos the shipping would be cheaper.

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    Hi guys just an update on laylah...
    I sent her breeder the xrays and she had her specialist vet have a look at them.

    He says she has OCD in the right elbow, and wouldn't operate while laylah isn't experiencing any symptoms or pain..
    is OCD easier to treat than other forms of ED?

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    I don't know if OCD is easier to treat than ED.

    I thought it was "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder".

    Did your vet have any advice on how to maximise the useful life time of the joint? Or what to do to avoid making it worse for as long as possible?

    With joints - operating is to be avoided if the risk of making it worse is bigger than any potential benefit. Ie operating often causes pain and "niggles" - so you don't want to do that if the dog doesn't have any pain or niggles to start with. Unless - not operating means sometime in the future the problem will be harder to fix or could have been prevented with surgery now. For example - wisdom teeth in humans, if the dentist can see the tooth is on a path to impaction - it's way easier to fix before it impacts - than after. Or having had the xrays - the dentist may know they can wait and see (so I've still got my wisdom teeth but my brother hasn't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by elle.burns View Post
    Hi guys just an update on laylah...
    I sent her breeder the xrays and she had her specialist vet have a look at them.

    He says she has OCD in the right elbow, and wouldn't operate while laylah isn't experiencing any symptoms or pain..
    is OCD easier to treat than other forms of ED?
    No I dont think so. They all involve lessions and bits of cartilage fracturing off and causing problems in the joint. I think what determines the severity is the severity of the elbow incongruency. The more incongruent the elbow the worse it might be.

    It is very difficult. I have had a friend who elected not do do surgery and her dog was pretty much unaffected for many years. With my case my surgeon said that if it was his dog he would operate, but it was line ball, I wanted to know for sure what the condition of my dogs elbows were as she was going to be my agility dog. I am glad we operated because we got the loose bits out before they did damage and I suspect her elbows are only mildly incongruent.

    The solutions are not straight forward and the results are unpredictable. I had a friend that didnt know her dog had ED for nearly 2 years because there were no symptoms. By the time they discovered it her joints were very far gone and they had to do a radical surgery as normal surgery of removing the rough bits didnt work.

    So it is one of those things where personally I would get several opinions and have a face to face with the specialist and make sure they do a hands on examination of your dogs elbows. I consulted 2 specialists and had them both working on my case. Easy for me I guess because I am related to one of them.

    Also make sure your breeder has actually contaced a board certified surgical vet and not just a general practice vet. When a friend of mine sent her xrays to a breeder she sent them to her vet who is specially certified to do do the hip and elbow scans but he is not a board certified surgical specialist.

    I will only deal face to face with a surgical specialist who has had many years experience dealing with conditions like elbow dysplasia because the decisions you make now can affrect your dog for the rest of its life and they are not easy ones.

    I dont know how he can determine that your dog is not experiencing pain without a physical exam. My dog was sore in both elbows when manipulated by a specialist even though she wasnt limping on them at the time.
    Last edited by Kalacreek; 04-08-2013 at 02:05 PM.

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    Hi guys sorry to dig an old thread but just wondering Kalacreek who you dealt with for your surgery we have a 7month old golden retriever that is 9 weeks post opp and has taken a bit of a turn and is having some issues and we are after a second opinion because we aren't completely stoked with the first round and we want the best possible outcome for or girl
    Regards Brodie122

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    I used Tim Caporn at Perth Animal Surgery

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