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    Default Bernie is broken

    I have been working flat out. And not getting on much since before xmas really.
    bernie dislocated his knee 3 weeks ago. He did it chasing rabbits at dawn. So at least it was worth it in his books.
    I was told initially, rest it. Then rest it and take these anti inflammatories for a week and we'll see. It will either of improved, or it wont, in which case he'll need surgery.
    So now it operate time.
    $3,320.00 IF all goes well. Likelihood of him having full recovery - im told his new knee will not be able to take the dog fun n games he adores.
    And having to rest a very high drive dog is driving him nuts.
    I feel shit. That i cant afford the surgery. We are back at vet tomorrow for pre surgery ax. I felt too ashamed to say i didnt have my insrance and couldnt pay. Though will have to come clean tomorrow.

    Bernie does not know his knee is dislocated. Its sickening to watch him mobilise. But he just wants the ball, please, any time your ready mum, now'd be good! That sort of thing.
    He shows no trace of discomfort in his demeanor. His knee joint rotating out and back into the socket makes my stomach lurch though.

    What would you do?

    Im lost, to close to this to work it out.
    Ive asked about installments, but no fee, no surgery

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    Bugger...so sorry to here this. By the sounds of things he's not in to much pain.....thats a good thing i guess.

    Um.....about the money.....credit cards ??, um borrow from a relative ??, sell somthing ?? Dunno really....sorry. I hope you can work somthing out. Wishing you some good luck.

    A crate might be worth looking at for the recovery time.....i'd lend you mine if you where close by.


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    Oh heavens, what an awful place to be in. he has no idea and you are distraught, I am so sorry.

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    Oh that would suck. Poor Bernie, I'd go with finance if they had it. Not many people have that much money laying around to use. Possible a small personal loan?

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    A few years ago my cat broke his back and the bill came to about $5000. GE (as much as I hate them) have a credit card called care credit and it gives yopu 6 months interest free on vet bills. Might be worth looking into.

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    For many many years dogs have survived without surgery. I remember from my younger years one of our sheep dogs got its leg tangled in fencing wire and did some serious damage to itself. On our farm(this is going back 20 years or so) dogs never saw vets. Over time, he healed and went on to be a useful sheepdog for many years after. I'd be inclined to go the rest option for an extended period, whether I could afford the surgery or not. Take Bernie to visit friends or places where he can just sniff around without getting overly excited to keep his mind occupied and see what happens. When Jack had leg problems that the vets wanted to x-ray and so on, I used to take him to a local wetlands area, let him out of the car and just sit in the car and read a book for an hour or so. Didn't give him any real excercise but it kept him happy that he was able to spend the hour or so sniffing around and checking stuff out - eventually his legs came good and I didn't pay a cent for x-rays or the like. Don't think you're a bad owner because you didn't waste thousands of dollars on the pet insurance scam.

    of course I haven't seen your dog or the extent of the problem so my opinion may be completely worthless

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    Just a suggestion - why not try the Yahoo conservative management group. They deal with management of orthopedic injuries without surgery and maybe able to give advice based on many experiences. The orthodogs group is also good and look at both the surgical and non surgical perspectives. They are both specifically geared towards the management of orthopedic injuries or problems, most commonly cruciate injuries but also have expereince in other problems.

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    Hi Bernie

    You could strap his knee so it can't pop out so easily and make it slightly harder for him to run around like a lunatic (beware pain killers for this reason). You can also ask the vet (or another one) about ways to manage the injury without surgery.

    And ask about ways to exercise him that won't stress the knee. Swimming might be good. And for ball games maybe consider making him wait till the ball stops moving before he can chase it - or get one of those ring-Frisbees (aerobie) Sprint | AEROBIEĀ® High Performance Sport Toys that float in the air - so he can get himself under it before it lands without massive stress on the knee with the stops and turns that go with ball retrieves. But that's for after the ligaments and muscles have a chance to heal up.

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    oh thankyou thankyou guys.
    @ my mate jack. I have had to adopt some training, so instead of retrieves, trei ball, etc. We now walk sedately on a lead, and when he's not looking, i drop his prize. after a while conitnued sedate walking, i then send him back along our trail to 'find it'. His nose is down, he's not tearing around, or sprinting. I know that vets tend to think in surgical terms. Most surgeons do. And i too was raised in farming land. Vets were rarely called. Most injuries and illnesses i can now treat myself. With a annual wellbeing/roadworthy done by vet for me.

    @ kalacreek. thankyou so much for your post and links. I have some reading up to do. Bernie in the past, has torn his cruciate ligament. We got him fully recovered from that without a xray/or surgery. But through rest/no pain killers so we could stop when he showed any pain etc, and crating.

    @ hyacynth. How do i strap a knee? Im a nurse, but this is such a u bend. Maybe the site kalacreek will have a demo or photo. Strapping i have lots of.

    Loan and credit cards are currently maxed. A situation i have not been in for some years. But here i am. Not because of my needs this time. But for my eldest daughter who has been thrown one of life's curve balls, that i am helping out with in emergency relief funds needed. I used this option, for my daughter. Its not a additional option for me.

    Pohm is loving that bernie is crook. Like the true bitch she is, she's grabbed the best bed, sun spot, bone, person coz she can now get there FIRST. Arent dogs ruthless lol

    ok time for some reading up.
    thankyou guys. this has lifted my spirit. I am not a bad dog owner. Im not being cruel as there doesnt seem to be pain. Though where is pain? shouldnt it be there? questions questions.
    Our minds keep us bombarded with questions/doubt/fear. I should stop listening to mine for a while.

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    Pain is something that some animals can hide really well although I would expect if it were really bad you would recognise some signs. Generally not using the leg would be an indication. I know when my dog snapped her cruciate, when we were waiting for surgery she was still very enthusiastic about chasing her ball in the water, but obviously her leg must have been painful as she was holding it up.

    I remember from when I needed those ortho sites there were discussions of how to strap and also support structures like braces. My own knee is wrecked and cetainly I rely heavily on a knee brace when I am running and being active. Doing it right is fairly important particularly where joints are concened as they are mobile structures and need to maintain flexibility and not be allowed to fuse and become stiff. I have also seen joint supports advertised in the agility mag Clean Run. Not sure if they would be useful.

    I think that most parents would consider that their children are the priority when emergencies happen. You just have to manage as best you can and hopefuly the ortho sites will give you some guidance.
    Last edited by Kalacreek; 03-17-2013 at 09:09 AM.

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