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    Hi Bernie

    My knee brace - had strong support down the sides (I did tear the ligaments at the sides, and then above and below - not to tight or you cut the circulation but you want to reduce the flexibility a bit and provide support or reduced stretch - just below and above the knee cap.

    So at a guess - I'd put a couple of bits of tape along the leg either side of the joint but not behind or in front, and then a bit around the leg just above and below, leaving a gap behind and in front. I'd think about taping over the top of the kneecap - but all the straps I've ever had leave a hole right over the knee cap.

    This one suggests taping above and below and then cross strapping - but note - leaves a space over the actual knee cap.
    How to Strap for Patella Dislocation and Instability

    I've also found that a simple strap just under the knee cap - helps with patella problems and IT band (side quad thigh muscle).

    Note - I'm not a vet. And please make sure you don't cut the circulation ie doesn't need to be really tight.

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    I like hyacinth's idea of strapping the problem joint. Even a simple bandage around the joint would help, although if you can find the right way to strap it would no doubt be better.

    As for exercise, I can't see swimming being an issue. Non load bearing exercise may in fact help, especially if its supported by some sort of strapping as it will help keep the muscles that hold the joint strong.

    I hope you can manage this problem and it sorts itself over time, I have no doubt you're doing everything you can possibly think of to help it, good luck!

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    exercise wise - definitely need to avoid:

    tight turns. sudden stopping. jumping.

    and to a lesser extent but still worth avoiding
    running - and rapid acceleration.

    swimming ought to be ok provided there isn't any of the above involved. ie walk into the water on a lead and discourage kangaroo hopping once in.

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    I would definitely seek professional advice about the strapping. I remember a case where they strapped a horses's knee and completely immobilised the joint and the joint fused and became irreversibly inflexible and the horse had to be destroyed. I know dogs are different to horses but what happened has always made me a bit nervous! I really want to know what I am doing or affecting.

    I know with my own knee if I do it wrong or for too long I can feel bad things happening. Dogs cant tell us.
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    What about walking on a treadmill? Would that be to much? Not sure how long would be okay with this kind of injury or how long would be ideal for the breed of dog itself... Just an idea! Swimming also seems a very good idea to me too. I wish you luck bernie! And do keep us updated.
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    A treadmill.
    er no.
    I have a working line dog, walking for the sake of walking is not a feature he comes with.
    He needs to use his brain. Or he eats the house.
    We have a lake, so swimming is how ive tired him this morning. The vet said that if he's going to exercise, he'll do as much damage in water as he will on dry land. This bit of info the vet gave me got put in the bullshit bin. Vets talk daft sometimes.

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    My orthovet told me that it is the process of getting in and out of the water that is likely to do damage rather than the swimming itself. I can understand that as there is often a soft uneven bottom, rocks and the drag of the water.

    I have found over the years of a variety of ortho type injuries that complete rest is often the key, no matter how hard it is with a full on working dog. That is when teaching tricks and games is the only way to deal with it. I remember having to do a 12 week strict rest to heal a bicep tendon injury non surgically on the highest drive dog that I have ever owned. Swimming did exercabate that, so that was out. We did manage!

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    Hi Bernie,
    Send roughly 5 or so emails out to different vetslocal to you and explain in full the situation, you will be amazed at the price variation between them, hope this helps, it saved me over $400.00 when I did it. Best of luck ... Shift+R improves the quality of this image. CTRL+F5 reloads the whole page.

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    Hi Dog Training Products.
    Our lake has several entries/exits, im using the gradually sloping entrance, so ensure that there is no leap up onto banks/back off banks.

    I did ring around for quotes, and they DID vary, however, none under the $3k mark.
    So, im crating, then he comes out after we eat dinner. As its lay down be quiet time in lounge. Other than that, he's with me using leash in house as he loves to rough n tumble with his mrs.

    He's been working on retrieves. Using his toy. Im swapping over to keys this week, as ive lost my keys on bush walks twice, so will be handy.
    Pohm is getting a tad fat from lack of exercise, but wont go separately, literally parks her arse at the gate, and wont budge if he's not there. Even for food!
    ah well, my version of fat, is most folks version of normal for dogs. Im not stressing.

    Its been 2 weeks of rest so far. And you see some recovery, still no indicator of pain to me. I wonder if they show pain?
    time will tell i guess. But so far, so good.
    We are back inside with Treiball training, that kills a lot of his energy. But unexercised, he's really pushy about it. Inpatient etc.

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    Hi Bernie,
    Poor thing! I know how hard it is to try and get a high active dog to rest up! Fingers crossed she makes a speedy recovery and doesn't need surgery.
    If she does need surgery in the future maybe you could try some kind of fundraising.... we would be happy to help in any way we can.
    My mum gives her dog Green Lipped Mussel extract, which has helped his joints... not sure it would help in this case but could be worth a try!
    Good Luck!!

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