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    Hi Guys, my boy just has to loose weight. He has always been solid but now he is just plain overweight and I would not forgive myself if he his joints got damaged. At the moment I feed him 1/2 a large chicken breast (raw) or 3/4 a small chicken breast and 1/2 cup biscuits (Optimum brand) twice a day. He also has 2 Denta bones (mediium size) per day. This is much less than I fed my kelpies and they were much smaller but Moses is a very sedate type of boy. I would really appreciate your advice on 1. diet 2. ideas to get him moving more. I walk him every day for about 30 minutes and some days I manage 2 walks. It would be great if I could come up with some ideas for getting him to move a bit at home. He will not play fetch. He does not follow me around the garden - he sneeks back inside. He loves other dogs but all my friends have tiny dogs. All suggestions are very appreciated.

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    Not sure if its true but a vet told me once that denta bones are fatty. ?

    I would take him off the dry dog food. Will he eat raw bones in place of the dentastix?

    I mix up a small amount of lean mince with a big heap of grated veges,
    sweet potato, zucchini or beetroot ,a small cooked garlic clove and chopped parsley.
    Sometimes some cooked brown rice as well. A lot of fibre here and not a lot of calories.

    Some people say garlic is not good but others swear by it.

    A change in diet can give a dog a new lease of life.
    What breed is he?

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    Chuck the chicken breast and the dentabones. You must spend a small fortune just on Moses alone. What breed is Moses?

    I would give him 1/2 cup dry food in the morning and a chicken carcass in the afternoon. Conversely look into a totally raw diet, something like Vets All Natural range or BARF patties. He only needs to eat 2% of his ideal bodyweight in raw food a day, so say he should be 25kg, he should only need 500gm total raw food (thats meat, bit of veg etc) a day. Now dry food = 1/3 the weight of raw so approx 160g dry if nothing else.

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    Yep, exactly what Nekh said.

    Is he the Golden in your avatar? Does seem a whole lot of food for a sedate Goldy... Especially all the chicken meat.

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    Wow..........Classy diet. You have a really well fed dog

    I feed Raw and my dogs get a mix of meats. And even though my dogs are heavy and large, they are also more sedate, so they get less then 2%. I do bulk one of my forever hungry girls out with carrot..RAW and Put through the large industrial mincer we have (food processor would do quite well too). it makes her think she has more. We feed all the other mixed veg too, but she gets the extra carrot, which i buy by the bag for $8.00 (20kg)

    All my meat/offal is at the cheap end of the range from our butcher and/or from our own butchering.....We never feed chicken breast, too expensive and I prefer some bone content to slow them down and give them all the extras bones add to their diet.
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    Thanks everyone, I only have one dog and I don't eat meat myself so I guess I don't notice the meat bill as much. Moses was often vomiting with diarrhea as a puppy and had to be put on a drip a couple of time. Took him to 3 vets, had all the blood tests, ultralsound (now that did cost me a fortune) etc but they came up with nothing. Because of this I have mucked around with his diet alot and I know he can't tolerate too much red meat, and pigs ears or roo choos make him really sick.

    My old kelpies always had garlic and lived until they were almost 18 - the vet told garlic is bad - so who do you believe????? That's why I love this forum - I can get advise from people with hands on experience rather than text book experience.

    The only reason I feed chicken breast instead of chicken frames (he loves frames) is because it is easy to pick up the breasts from the supermaket and when I have purchased frames they seem not very fresh (I think they keep them too long because they think they are just for the dogs). He loves chicken wings but I honestly thought that the breast would be the leanest.

    Conclusion: I think I will go back to the chicken frame, maybe the breast is just too much flesh, ditch the denta bones, ditch the biscuits, add some vegies and a dob of cottage cheese because he tolerates that well and see how that goes. Does that sound like a plan??????

    I also thought of getting another dog but what if I end up with two couch potatoes?????

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    Try raw roo mince. Super lean, lots of protein. Bulk it up with some cooked brown rice and grated carrot, you don't need to go crazy with the vegies. And cut the dentastix and the Optimum, both are total junk and nothing but empty calories. Switch to a chicken drumstick or wing instead of the breast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra View Post
    Try raw roo mince. Super lean, lots of protein. Bulk it up with some cooked brown rice and grated carrot, you don't need to go crazy with the vegies. And cut the dentastix and the Optimum, both are total junk and nothing but empty calories. Switch to a chicken drumstick or wing instead of the breast.
    I wouldn't add the rice. Rice has no nutritional value for a dog and is a carbohydrate and for a couch potato who uses little energy all rice will do is turn into more fat. Not something you want if you are trying to get the dog to lose weight. Rice is about as useful as the Dentastix and Optimum.

    For vegies I would use pumpkin, carrot, broccoli, cucumber, cook them up just a bit and mash them. Adds fibre to their diet.

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    Chicken breast is not complete. It's simply pure protein. Dogs need a more balanced diet particularly those who are on reduced quantities. They also need protein to get up and move about, the diet could be making him sluggish as well there's a lot of carbs in it (for dogs carbs put on the weight which is why I hate cheap diet foods which have low protein and all grain ... thats the diet to get commercial pigs nice and fat) Chewing on carcasses will also replace the need to give him dentastix as he will be using his teeth to chew. Introduce carcasses slowly as he's so used to a highly processed diet. If you start him off with pet mince (which is minced up carcasses) and see if he gets constipated on it, then move up to carcasses.

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    I have to be careful with red meat, it gives him the runs, not for a day but for a week or two. I end up having to wash his bottom every time he goes cause of the long hair. Can live without that. I know he goes well with chicken frames so I am going to try chicken pet mince or frames. He gets a few vegies from my dinner (carrot, pumkin, broccoli) sometimes and that doesn't upset him so I will try and give him a little with each feed. I will then try some red meats gradually to see how he goes.

    Thank you so much for your advice everyone, I will let you know how we go.

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