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    Default Need Variety!

    Charlie & Bella have Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken and Rice for Adults & Puppies morning and night. I'm very happy with it as they're doing super well on it - my boy is no longer hyperactive, their coats are soft and lovely, Bella eats every meal now. But the problem is the price - $42 for 3kgs. I'm happy to pay that price because it's obviously doing them good, but at the moment OH and I are trying to save money. We go through 3kgs every 2.5 weeks.

    I'm looking for ways to make it last longer, i.e. I want to introduce other foods so they can either have half/half or EP for breakfast and something else for dinner, or even just something else a couple of days a week.

    Suggestions please!!

    Thanks

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    Raw chicken mince from Lenards or whole chicken frames (they will cut them up if you ask them to.

    If you have a look at the different barf food suggestions you can incorporate that into their diet too. Batty gets one Barf meal and one Evo meal a day It works out much cheaper for me too! He gets the evo in the morning when hubby feeds him and he gets the barf in the evening when I feed him.

    You can also give a chicken wing or neck (or two or three) instead of a meal if you desire to.

    OT: How are they going with ringing the bells?

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    That;s what I'd like to do, i think. I'm just a bit nervous about it because I don't know much about it and it seems hard! Plus I don't have a blender lol.

    They get chicken wings once a week at the moment and it'll be going up to a few times a week I think. They both get one each at the moment but I think I should be giving Charlie two?

    Haha the bells.. Charlie does ring it sometimes. I think I may have it slightly too high for Bella to reach! I'll have to move it. Charlie has started scratching on the door too. They're getting there, but it's taking a while, really due to inconsistancy/laziness on our part!

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    I think you should be ok as you are combining the two. I don't have a blender either but Batty seems to like having all the chunks of meat and veggies there! I do have one of those hand held whizzer thingys that does a pretty good job, it just takes ages!

    Batty's evening mix is a handful of chicken frame mince (lenards) and a few veggies thrown in as well (not always though) He also gets salmon oil tablets and two egg yolks once a week.

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    What kind of veggies do you feed Batty?

    I think I would have to do a big mix on weekends and then freeze it in portions. (Oh how I wish I had a bigger freezer, but that's an entirely different subject!) What I don't understand though, is what exactly is the right portion? How do I work it out? Maths.... it's not my strong point LOL!

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    I get 2kg bags of minced carcasses/other bits and pieces for $3 each and they are a wallet saver. I get them from Red Lea (kinda the same is Lennards).

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    Wow that is cheap! I was hoping you would see this thread Cleas as you seem very knowledgable on the subject

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie & Bella's mum View Post
    What kind of veggies do you feed Batty?

    I think I would have to do a big mix on weekends and then freeze it in portions. (Oh how I wish I had a bigger freezer, but that's an entirely different subject!) What I don't understand though, is what exactly is the right portion? How do I work it out? Maths.... it's not my strong point LOL!
    You can give:
    COS lettuce (not iceberg - has no nutritional value)
    Silverbeet
    Carrots
    Spinach
    Zucchini
    Celery
    Capsicum
    Raw beetroot
    Apples (no cores)
    Kiwi fruit (small amounts)
    Bananas (small amounts)
    Rockmelon (small amounts)

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    I do the same as Cleasanta with the minced chicken frames. They are super cheap and often sold at butchers or chicken stores as 'pet mince'

    I just got a free sample bag of eagle pack chicken and rice yesterday! Coincidence lol
    Mine love it, but I'm still thinking of making the switch to Royal Canin.

    As much as it pains me to say it, my poodles do the best on Pal Natural, yeah I know, crappy supermarket brand, but it's the only one that agrees with my males skin, any other brand of canned food makes him horribly itchy.

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    Feeding recommendations: How much BARF Do I feed my Dog?

    The simplest way to work this out is as a percentage of bodyweight.

    Healthy Dogs – Not Exercising
    : Feed 2% - 3% of bodyweight per day – divided into one or two meals

    Working, Racing, Active Dogs
    : Feed 3% - 6% of bodyweight per day when actually working or active. At this time feed food with a higher fat content to increase the energy supply. Feed 2% - 3% of bodyweight per day when not active or working

    Puppies – Small to Medium Breeds
    : Feed 3% - 5% of bodyweight per day – divided into 3 to 4 small meals

    Puppies – Large and Giant Breeds
    : Feed 2% - 4% of bodyweight per day – divided into 3 to 4 meals. It is important to ensure that these puppies grow slowly. To ensure that this happens, it can be useful to add extra vegetable pulp to the patties (from a juicer). Feed soft raw bones daily. Note: – feed BARF and soft raw bones from young animals as the only source of calcium; it is not necessary and may be harmful to use calcium supplements. (For more information – refer to Dr. Billinghurst’s book – “Grow Your Pups with Bones.”)

    Pregnant (‘in whelp’) Female Dogs
    : For the first two thirds of pregnancy, feed 2% - 3% of bodyweight per day – divided into one or two meals. For the last third of pregnancy increase this to 3% - 4% of bodyweight per day – divided into two or three meals. (For more information – refer to Dr. Billinghurst’s book – “Grow Your Pups with Bones.”)

    Lactating Female Dogs
    : Depending on Litter size and the age of the puppies, feed from between 3% and 6% of bodyweight per day – divided into two or three meals – up to free choice with large litters. (For more information – refer to Dr. Billinghurst’s book – “Grow Your Pups with Bones.”)

    Dogs with Health Issues – for example, Kidney, Liver or Pancreatic Disease
    : These dogs usually require extra vegetable material, sometimes with less fat; in the latter case, combine Dr. B’s Kangaroo flavour with raw pulped low glycaemic index vegetable material. For simple obesity, reduce the amount of BARF and Raw Meaty Bones and replace with as much raw pulped low glycaemic index vegetable material as the dog will eat.

    Calculate

    Information regarding R.A.W BARF diet:

    Dr Billinghurst RAW BARF Diet website: BARF Australia - Home of Dr Billinghurst's biologically appropriate raw food for restoring animal wellness

    Puppy diet: BARF Puppy Menu

    Adult diet: BARF Adult Menu

    Switching to BARF
    : Switching to Raw

    Vegie and fruit list: BARF Vegetables & Fruit List

    BARF meat and bones list: BARF Meat & RMB List

    Raw meaty bones
    : Raw Meaty Bones

    The top 50 FAQ regarding BARF
    : BARF for Beginners - Most Frequently Asked Questions

    Benefits of BARF: The benefits of BARF


    BARF Adult Menu
    Our diet is based on Dr. Billinghurst BARF diet books

    This Diet plan is for our Staffordshire Bull Terriers who are 3 months of age or older. Your plan may be different depending on your area and breed. If you are switching from commercial dogs foods then we suggest that you read this first.

    The Diet:
    60% raw meaty bones
    15% crushed vegetables & fruit
    25% meat mince & offal (organ meat, heart, liver, kidneys, brains, stomach (Tripe), intestines etc.)

    It is VERY important to start out slow, with a very basic menu. Start with chicken necks and a meat meal with NO veggies or supplements for the first 3 weeks when you switch your dog to the adult BARF menu. Then add very small amounts of the veggie mix each day until you are at the recommended level for your dog’s weight. At 5 weeks start adding your supplements starting with flax seed oil. Again use this for the first week then slowly add another supplement. This should takes weeks even months to get to a point where you are adding all the recommend supplements. We also suggest NOT to add the supplements to the veggie mix, rather add them to the evening meal with yogurt being added to conceal the supplements. You will feel it important to change your dog’s menu as you go along. This is only a sample, suggested menu. You also may want to add or subtract supplements or different veggies, meat etc. as you go along. This is the great thing about the BARF diet menu it is very flexible.

    Supplements: (when called for in menu)
    Check this site for a great explanation of supplements!
    Flax seed oil (usually 1 teaspoon)
    Salmon oil (also known as fish oil) (usually 1 1000mg capsule)
    Cod liver oil (usually 1 teaspoon)
    Kelp granules (usually 1 teaspoon)
    Evening primrose/borage oil (usually 1 1000mg capsule)
    Vitamin E (usually 1 or 2 teaspoon of
    first cold pressed Olive oil or 1000mg capsule)
    Vitamin C (usually 1 500mg table crushed)
    Apple Cider Vinegar with "mother" from Health food shop (1 teaspoon)
    All natural yogurt (1 or 2 tablespoons)

    ** Sasha’s blend (or another joint supplement) (usually half of recommend amount as precaution)
    ** Staffords are prone to arthritis. It has been shown that shark cartilage, glucosamine, chrondroitin and MSM are effective for preventing or prolonging arthritis. So we suggest adding Sasha’s blend or another joint supplement each day to your dogs diet. You should be able to get this at your local health food store or any homeopathic vet. You can also check some Internet sites as well.

    Ground Meat: (when called for in menu)
    Beef
    Chicken
    Turkey
    Roo
    Buffalo
    Chicken carcasses
    Fish (fresh human grade or canned in water only)
    Chopped Meat: (when called for in menu)
    Beef heart
    Kidney
    Liver
    Green Tripe
    Brains

    (Or any of these can be minced together and used as ground meat instead, making sure you are using equal parts of above)

    RMB’s: (when called for in menu)
    Chicken Necks
    Chicken Wings
    Whole Chicken carcasses
    Turkey Necks
    Turkey Wings
    Duck, Rabbit, Quall etc.
    Beef brisket, Beef neck
    Pork feet, pork necks


    Veggies: (add other veggies as desired, especially green leafy vegetables)
    COS (Romaine) lettuce main ingredient (no iceberg lettuce)
    Parsley (small amounts)
    Carrots (low amounts)
    Pumpkin (low amounts)
    Spinach
    Silver beet
    Tomato’s, but not the leaves though
    Beetroot
    Red, green, yellow capsicum (peppers) (not all at the same time)
    Cabbage or broccoli or cauliflower (not at the same time)

    Mixing the Veg mix: (also called veggie slop) (this is only a suggested way of doing this, find what is easy for you)
    1) Put mixed crushed vegetables (allot of green leafy veggies) (NO onions, potatoes, peas or beans) in a blender then add ripe fruit (whole apples, whole oranges, papayas, mangoes, kiwi, rock melon (cantaloupe) May be over ripe but not rotten, then add 4-6 eggs with the shells, 1oz (286g) fresh garlic and 6oz (170g) natural yogurt or equivalent of nondairy probiotic

    Sample Menu:
    The yogurt is added to help the aid in digestion. It also adds good bacteria to the gut for good health. If your dog does not have problems digesting these foods than this can be taken out of the diet. However, our dogs love yogurt so we add a scoop (about a tablespoon) each day. This is of course all natural (non-daily preferred) yogurt.
    Monday

    AM – RMB’s
    PM – Ground meat, veg mix, kelp powder, vitamin C, cod liver oil, salmon oil, Sasha’s blend, scoop of all natural yogurt
    Tuesday

    AM – RMB’s
    PM – Chopped meat, veg mix, kelp powder, vitamin C, salmon oil, vitamin E, Sasha’s blend, scoop of all natural yogurt
    Wednesday (light menu day)
    AM – Large recreational bone & chicken necks/wings (half of what you normal would give).
    PM – nothing or just yogurt
    Thursday (Fish Day)

    AM – RMB’s
    PM – fish, veg mix, kelp powder, vitamin C, salmon oil, vitamin E, Sasha’s blend, scoop of all natural yogurt
    Friday

    AM – RMB’s
    PM – Ground meat, chopped meat, vitamin C, flax seed oil, cod liver oil, salmon oil, vitamin E, Sasha’s blend, scoop of all natural yogurt
    Saturday

    AM – Large Recreation bone & Chicken necks/wings (just a few)
    PM – Ground meat, veg mix, vitamin C, cod liver oil, salmon oil, vitamin E, Sasha’s blend, scoop of all natural yogurt
    Sunday
    AM – RMB’s
    PM – Ground meat, chopped meat, veg mix, Vitamin E & C, evening primrose/borage oil, Sasha’s blend, scoop of all natural yogurt

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