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    Charlie and Bella have always had Eukenuba small breed puppy. I'm thinking about changing to something else though, but I don't know what and I would like some opinions.

    Miss Bella can be a bit fussy, but overall is not a problem. Charlie will eat anything. This can be a bit of a problem though, as he seems to have a sensitive stomach, so when he eats the wrong thing the results are often... very unpleasent. And he farts (awful, could nearly knock you out with the smell) alot. And being half Cavavlier, half Pug means if we're not careful with what he eats he'll turn into a fatty!! (he's currently about 6.5kgs. Bella is 2.8)

    New food needs to be: simple (so hubby can do it as well - he still asks me how much to feed them now! ), easy on Charlie's tummy, suitable for puppies, preferably cheaper than Eukenuba ($30 for 3kgs).

    Suggest away! TIA!

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    Hi C&BM

    I feed Frosty "Nutro Natural Choice chicken and rice for adults" but I was feeding the puppy version of that. Before that I was feeding the Advance puppy food but I was having problems with puppy upset tummy on that though it is quite high quality as far as dry dog food goes. Nutro natural choice is made from better quality ingredients than advance but I suspect they're both made in the same dog food factory out near Bathurst somewhere (both brands belong to Mars - yes the same people who make Mars bars and M&Ms).

    Nutro Natural Choice is um about $110 for 15kg which is cheaper per kg than $30 for $3 but it really really helps to buy in bulk ie I think it would be the same price or dearer if you only bought 3kg. I could probably get it a bit cheaper again if I go somewhere else to buy it too.

    If you have a slow eater and a fast eater - it will pay to separate them when eating and put the fast food eater's food into something that slows them down eg a treat ball or a bowl with obstructions like a brick or you can buy special ones with leggo bumps in the bowl. If you have a fussy eater, it may pay to mix some yogurt or chicken stock with the food or some of that happy paws powder (though that made no difference to Frosty - she didn't care about the powder but she would eat the food if you mixed it with yogurt and put it in a kong. No kong, no eat - weird dog).

    I think you can also get nature's gift as dog food, I only use the treats, but they're not real healthy. If you're feeling really enthusiastic you can make casserole for dog and put that into single serve plastic containers (from the supermarket) and freeze. You can thaw or not depending on whether you are feeding the fast food eater (leave frozen) or not.

    And this should help you check ingredients lists for likely tummy upsetters
    The Dog Food Project - How does your Dog Food Brand compare?

    Note - many of the american brand dog foods are made under licence in Australia to - I hope - slightly higher standards of basic hygiene and food processing, so recalls or problems that apply to dog food over there might not apply in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi C&BM

    I feed Frosty "Nutro Natural Choice chicken and rice for adults" but I was feeding the puppy version of that. Before that I was feeding the Advance puppy food but I was having problems with puppy upset tummy on that though it is quite high quality as far as dry dog food goes. Nutro natural choice is made from better quality ingredients than advance but I suspect they're both made in the same dog food factory out near Bathurst somewhere (both brands belong to Mars - yes the same people who make Mars bars and M&Ms).

    Nutro Natural Choice is um about $110 for 15kg which is cheaper per kg than $30 for $3 but it really really helps to buy in bulk ie I think it would be the same price or dearer if you only bought 3kg. I could probably get it a bit cheaper again if I go somewhere else to buy it too.

    If you have a slow eater and a fast eater - it will pay to separate them when eating and put the fast food eater's food into something that slows them down eg a treat ball or a bowl with obstructions like a brick or you can buy special ones with leggo bumps in the bowl. If you have a fussy eater, it may pay to mix some yogurt or chicken stock with the food or some of that happy paws powder (though that made no difference to Frosty - she didn't care about the powder but she would eat the food if you mixed it with yogurt and put it in a kong. No kong, no eat - weird dog).

    I think you can also get nature's gift as dog food, I only use the treats, but they're not real healthy. If you're feeling really enthusiastic you can make casserole for dog and put that into single serve plastic containers (from the supermarket) and freeze. You can thaw or not depending on whether you are feeding the fast food eater (leave frozen) or not.

    And this should help you check ingredients lists for likely tummy upsetters
    The Dog Food Project - How does your Dog Food Brand compare?

    Note - many of the american brand dog foods are made under licence in Australia to - I hope - slightly higher standards of basic hygiene and food processing, so recalls or problems that apply to dog food over there might not apply in Australia.
    Thanks for your reply Hyacinth

    We feed Charlie half his food in his bowl and half in his treat ball, then put the treat ball in the bowl!

    We have some of the Nature's Gift treats as well, they don't seem to like them very much!

    I've been going through my books and googling stuff as well, trying to work out what would be best for them... I feel like I need a degree in nutrition to understand some of it though

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    If you are going to continue feeding Charlie and Bella on a dry commercial food, then I would recommend Pro Plan, C&B.

    Of all of them, that is one brand that many breeders use and also will recommend. For very sensitive digestive systems there is always the Pro Plan select range.
    I don't think it's much cheaper than Eukanuba though, maybe only a few dollars cheaper, if that.

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    To be honest DA I didn't really think anything decent would be cheaper than Eukenuba but you can only ask, hey!

    I like the idea of the raw diets you've all been talking about, but at this current time I don't feel I have the knowledge, experience, etc to attempt something like that - I'd rather stick to commercial dry for now do lots more learning about raw first. I am going to get them some chicken wings though - I haven't before because I'm a bit, um... funny about germs - esp raw chicken, (you should see me when I have to cook it for tea - I run to the bathroom afterwards and pour antibacterial soap over my hands - not good when you suffer from soap-allergy related dermatitis!) BUT I've since realised chicken wings will be a brilliant way to get them in their crates (which means no raw chicken on my floor!)

    Also: When should they come off the puppy food? Is it 12 months?

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    How old again are Charlie and Bella?

    Are they overweight, underweight?

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    Almost 8 months.

    I think Bella is about spot on. Charlie has recently put on a bit of weight - I feel he is bordering on being slightly overweight. They rarely get treats (only when training), and every few days they get a bikkie (eukenuba ones) if they're being good lol.

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    Change Charlie to adult food. You should notice a slight reduction in weight just from that, and if not, give him a bit less each day until he reaches a weight that you feel is right.

    Look, Bella is a small breed, and either way is fine. You could keep feeding her puppy food until 12 months if you like. If you decide to change Bella too, that shouldn't be an issue at that age - depending on the food, of course!

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    My view would to be add some chicken necks or wings to their diet for good tooth health. I give necks for breakfast and then normal dinner for evening meal. Our Bella now has BARF of an evening, Noah still has biscuits (I think he is on Californian Natural atm) and minced chicken carcess. Am seriously thinking about putting all mine (and the rescues) on BARF when I move, now that I am getting the hang on the preparation side of things. Bella just loves it and I know EXACTLY what she is eating. Make a week at a time (atm) and freeze individual containers. Intend to make a months worth at a time when I move.

    The one I made today was
    grated apple, grated carrot, coz lettuce, yellow squash, zuchinni an egg, apple cider vinegar, manuka honey, flax seed grain, no fat Greek yoghurt through the food processor then mixed with brown rice & Aloe vera juice.

    Turkey mince, john dory fillets, tin salmon, salmon rissole.

    2/3 cup protien & 1/3 cup veges per meal. Oh and I am now adding Pet Ark Daily Support to ensure she gets anything I am neglecting to add to the brew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie & Bella's mum View Post
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    I like the idea of the raw diets you've all been talking about,
    Do you mean raw, fresh meat? Nothing that is branded as "pet food"? Often butchers and chicken shops sell "pet-grade" mince, chicken frames etc. Is that what you mean by raw meat? That is what I want to get Asher settled onto. Someone mentioned in my thread about him stinking, that petfoods have lots of preservatives which aren't healthy for dogs. Does this include Highland Petfood who claims that their food is top quality and pure meat?
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