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Thread: Help! Making Your Own Food Grains, Chicken Etc

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    Default Help! Making Your Own Food Grains, Chicken Etc

    Hi guys!

    Im hoping you can help me, i've pretty much exhausted most of the internet and looked through all of feeding posts and whilst some of my questions have been answered not all of them have...

    We're about to adopt a 12 month old Kelpie x German Shepherd, she's underweight (her hind legs are sticking out, and ribs are no longer showing only just!)

    The rescuer is feeding her dog biscuits and thats all, along with all the other dogs she has there. (i'll have to ask which ones)

    This is my first problem; 1) I know Vets can recommend a biscuit diet due to promoting brands etc, but is it really advisable to feed them a dried food diet (I'm only going by the assumption that in cats it can cause all types of trouble? yes i know there diff animals :P)

    If i am right in my thinking (perhaps im not?) i was going to make my own food as i've heard some awful things about Chum/Pedigree wet food.

    This is where most of my questions come into play...

    How much chicken should a dog of her breed/size/age be given

    Some say no grains/carbs.. WHY? And if i've got the wrong information how much should i be giving per serve?

    I was basically going to make a mix of frozen vegies (corn, beans/peas, carrot) xxxgs of chicken and xxx amount of carbs (potatoes, pasta, rice) with some dry biscuits in it also...

    Does that sound ok?? i was planning on giving her some dry food in the morning and that mix in the evening...

    Thanks in advance!!

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    All my dogs have a raw/natural diet. I'm not a big fan of commercial dog food.

    Basically ... I give my girls grains & cereals for breakkie, a frozen chicken carcass at lunch time & raw meat & raw ground vegies for dinner. They also get fish once a week. I also make my own dog treats. Some people get into a bit of a "tizz" when it comes to "how much of this & how much of that" when you feed a natural diet, but it's a pretty easy system once you get the hang of it.

    If you're interested to follow up on how this all works, just start asking questions. Myself, plus others who feed their dogs this way will be happy to pop on & answer all your concerns.

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    I was told corn is a no no , And i don't feed potatoe, But that's just me. I feed for vegies- beans, carrots, peas, cauliflower, broccoli, Also feed Sardines, tuna, egg + shell, Chicken mince, Super coat kibble, yoghurt, olive oil..
    Hello and welcome...

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    Remember that some dogs do not like a raw diet (such as mine), and do quite fine on canned food and biscuits. In my case, I need to feed specific brands of canned food as some brands give my dog bad diarrhea.

    Whatever works well for your dog

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    Hi Jodz,

    I'm in the process of introducing raw food to Jenna. At the moment I am giving her a chicken thigh and some raw veggies/fruit (we've tried broccoli, carrot, apple, melon, spinach so far) for breakfast but sticking to her kibble for lunch and dinner. I'm not confident in making the complete swap to raw until she is fully grown. Once a week I give her a tin of sardines instead of the chicken and also give her a lambs kidney once a week. It's a learning curve and so far Jenna is doing really well. Nothing has disagreed with her yet. I haven't included any potato or gains so far, I'm not sure they are of any benefit to her.

    My main concern is over feeding her. As she is only 4.5 months I do not want her to grow too quick (possible hip problems) so at the moment I am monitoring her weight and will adjust if I think she is gaining to much too quick. I think it will all be much easier when she is fully grown and I just have to maintain her weight.

    One thing I have read is to not give kibble at the same time as raw as they digest at different rates and have the potential to cause problems as the raw food lies in the gut longer. This is why Jenna has the raw first thing in morning when her stomach should be relatively empty and I'm hoping she has digested that by the time I give her the kibble. That's the theory anyhow. It seems to be working ok at the moment.

    Good luck with everything
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    Hi guys

    Thanks for the replies!!!

    Its an interesting point you brought up shadow about the canned food, the main reason i've not thought about using it was everyone I know told me not to, that its bad and so on and so forth..

    Are there better canned foods then others (eg is pal better then chum in terms of dogs nutritional value)?

    At the moment she's just on biscuits as i mentioned in my first post, was my theory right about biscuits (or kibble i think you guys called it, eukanuba etc etc) as the only source of food as being bad?

    Thank you very much for the information about not feeding both at the same time Tkay!! I defiantly would of made that mistake!

    I think for now I'll start her on the biscuits (kibble) shes on now with the current careers and add some chicken and vegies and see how she goes...

    The natural diet i had always planned on giving my dog to be seems very taunting and I just want her to settle well before I go and experiment with food and make her distressed..

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    Hi Jodz

    You have to read the ingredient list on the can - if you would eat the stuff on the list then maybe it's ok but if you wouldn't then might not be good for the dog. Though I do think that tinned soups and stews have much in common with tinned dog food.

    I make my own casserole and feed about 600gm of that a day - split into two feeds and after that has been eaten, I give a measured amount of dried food (currently on Nutro Natural Choice for puppy, chicken and rice). The amount can be reduced by about 30% (a third) for a desexed dog - but what I feed depends on how much she wants to eat. She generally won't over eat - though today seems to be an exception. If I do feed too much it tends to come back to haunt us in ways we both find unpleasant.

    There are also dog foods in the fridge section of the supermarket that may or may not be better for your dog - read the ingredients... if a recognisable meat is listed first - good, if some sort of filler like pulverised corn husks (corn meal?) is listed first - put it back and go to the next brand. I've never actually used any of these.

    I know a lot of people that feed their dogs mostly dry food with the occasional fresh meat or bone supplement.

    Also each change in diet - you risk upsetting a dog's tummy - though some dogs have cast iron guts. If your dog has a sensitive tummy or is young, make the changes gradual - mixing the old with the new.

    I have also decided it's safer to feed the casserole separate to the dry food. I usually feed the casserole first because it gets digested quicker. Frosty has had the occasional chuck chunder - and even after 8 hours - the kibble still looks like kibble. Raw carrot seems unaffected too - but is quite a good thing to feed a dog (or human) that thinks it is still hungry when it has had enough food.

    I don't think dogs have the same problems as cats on 100% kibble - there's something different about the way their guts work. But as with cats - there needs to be plenty of water available with dry food.

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    To be honest, Jodz, after the first three or four brands, I stopped looking for what was healthiest. I think we can all be in agreement that a raw diet is essentially best for our dogs, but if mine won't eat it, why bother worrying over how much more healthy that diet is over what he's on.

    As he's been growing up, I've tried Leo on many brands of canned and dry food, raw diets, etc. All of these were made gradually. Leo refused the raw diet entirely (although he will eat raw bacon). He will eat most of the brands of canned food that I've tried him on (regardless of whether they were healthier then others), but some of them made him sick. One brand gave him no energy and he didn't want to play like he usually did. As for dry food, Leo gets Pedigree (the one for smaller breeds in a yellow bag), as the biscuits are smaller and I find that he seems to prefer this to other brands.

    The brand of canned food that I give him is My Dog. I only feed him once a day, but I give him enough dry food (estimated about two cups) that he'll continue to pick at it during the day if he gets hungry.

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    thanks so much guys i really appreciate it!!

    Hyacinth - i did ask the rescuers what food she was on, and they told me they mix it up quite frequently as it's all donated so they don't really have a say (she had 5 BIG dogs there so i don't blame her, though was surprised!)

    I had my shopping experience today! We bought 2 diff types of biscuits (sorry kibble! i'll get use to the wording!) to see which works best with her, one pedigree with a higher fat content and the other Purina? I think, Supercoat something! One thing I was suprised with was the "you'll love coles' brand which stated it had garlic in it, though i read garlic/onion was a big no no.... Go figure??

    I also bought 2 logs of the "polony" style dog foods and some chicken livers and wings...

    She's got a LOT of fattening up to do so i figure i can spoil her a bit

    Again thanks so much, it's nice being able to ask people who aren't just trying to sell me a product (and the most expensive one at that!)

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    Feeding raw is not difficult. I've been doing it for over 30 years. Many people try to make is much more complicated than it really is. Forget all the confusing crud on the internet and get yourself a copy of Give Your Dog A Bone.

    The BARF books.

    The book is uncomplicated and easy to read. It shows how simple it is to feed your dog a correct diet without any fuss. Every dog owner should read this book. You will find a copy in your library if you don't want to purchase it.

    As far as tinned food goes I always keep some cans of Nature's Gift in the cupboard. As we live in an area prone to cylones and floods it is second nature to store non perishable food items for people and animals in case they are needed. Nature's Gift is the only brand I would use. Most other brands go in one end and come out the other still looking pretty much the same. Chum would be the worst. Chum poo on concrete usually has to be removed with a high pressure hose or a scrubbing brush. GoD knows what it does to the poor dog's guts in between.

    Hope this helps.

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