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    Quote Originally Posted by silvershadowwolf24 View Post
    Just something I've always been curious about. What is the justification for feeding fruit and vegetables (or even things such as cheese) to natural carnivores? I realise that they cannot get all their vitamins and minerals from meat alone, but I would have thought that they would not be able to break down and digest fruit and vegetables properly- hence the need to eat herbivores which have already broken it down.
    In the wild dogs will eat just about anything.
    They will eat 'vegies' and fruit when/if availible.Whilst not going to say they are ominvores,no solid scientific proof to back it,there is no sold scientific proof to suggest they arn't either

    The old adage of your dog eating grass,oh must be sick then ? Is now thought to be your dog lacking other things in its diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippo View Post
    Watermelon and mandarin... sounds familiar Ziggy loves them... When it was so hot in Melbourne I gave her watermelon from the fridge. You should have seen her eyes And I like the idea with stewing apples and pears. I can imagine someone really liking that! Yoghurt isn't safe in our house either. At least the pots are well cleaned before we put them in the bin. Zig also loves banana. I usually mash it up and put it in a kong for her.
    Oh gosh yes! How could I forget the yoghurt tubs! *bad me*
    No dripping yoghurt in our garbage bins either
    We go through phases with our narna's....they must be ripe for example , not that they are spoilt or anything
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    Thanks Choppa

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    Actually, pups should go from puppy food to adult food at age 3 to 4 mths. The reasons behind this are puppy foods are too high in nutrients , particularly protein , which can cause growth to become too fast resulting in possible bone and joint problems later in the life of the dog. Adult foods with less protien and nutrient value keep growth to a more normal level.

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    Dogs are NOT carnivores - they are opportunistic omnivores - thus the fruit and veg.

    As for adult food for dogs 3-4 months old - it can cause just as many problems as feeding a food that is too high in nutrients - you can end up with a malnourished dog. You need to work on finding a dog food that is suited to your breed. I like to feed raw with a premium dry

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    No where in my post did I say feed nutrient deficient foods . What I said was to feed a lower protien nutrient rich food rather than a higher protien food. Your comments tell me you have had little experience in raising puppies. Am I right?

    BTW, don't you mean,"Dogs are non-obligate carnivores. They are carnivores with opportunistic omnivorous tendencies?
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    good grief!! I suppose you are the breeder to the stars then? Actually - you know what - I don't care! You aren't someone important or influential in my life and you appear to be looking for a quarrel. Look elsewhere - you are entitled to your opinion...however...

    Coming onto a forum and giving a piece of advice as if it is the one way and only way to do this things is not only arrogant, it is potentially dangerous.

    Who exactly are you? What qualifications do you have? No, I am not a breeder - but I have seen the side effects of following ridiculous advice.

    Most decent breeders actually advocate a BARF diet with some level of puppy food. In the large breeds most switch to some sort of an intermediate food at 6-8 months as that is when the first growth "spurt" occurs. Naturally, you know this!

    Most people who have a clue about nutrition also understand the differences between the different types of proteins. They understand the balance needed to promote healthy animals.

    In regards to the omnivore/carnivore debate. Just because you copy and paste something from a dictionary or wikipedia doesn't make it any more informative than someone who actually has a clue using their own words. It was a simple response to someone asking why dogs should eat fruit and veg - the answer is because it's good for them - roughage does the same thing for them as it does for us as do all the other nutrients.

    Thanks for trying to undermine me on a forum full of people I will probably never meet...but...you fail...and I am going to hazard a guess that your reply will be outraged/pompous/full of vitriol (how dare you treat a new forum member like this!!). I forgot to add the obvious - ignoring what I say as it is uncomfortable to answer. Oh well...

    I apologise if you took personal offence to what I was saying - but you need to understand - I have no idea who you are and I don't find you important enough in my life to offend you - it is after all, the internet, not real life!
    Last edited by Occy; 09-13-2009 at 10:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogSavvy View Post
    Actually, pups should go from puppy food to adult food at age 3 to 4 mths. The reasons behind this are puppy foods are too high in nutrients , particularly protein , which can cause growth to become too fast resulting in possible bone and joint problems later in the life of the dog. Adult foods with less protien and nutrient value keep growth to a more normal level.
    Sorry Occy but I have to agree with DogSavvy here. Excessive nutrients, particularly high protien levels such as those found in "Premium" dry foods can cause growth issues, particularly in slow growing breeds. Giant breeds grow much slower than others and excessive nutrients cause an unnatural acceleration in growth, which can indeed lead to problems, especially with bones.

    I have just switched my youngster to a "lite and mature" dry food with no added meat to drop her protien intake dramatically - this is due to looseless in joints that hasn't responded to calcium adjustments.

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    Thanx Nattylou , you are spot on in what you say.

    Your 'youngster' , what is he or she?

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    Why are you apologising? You've not done anything set out on hurting anyone else...

    I never suggested that this individuals comments were completely erronous - I only said that simply switching to an adult food when a dog is 3-4 months old can do as much damage as not.

    There are some puppy foods I wont feed - Eukanuba for one - and lots of shepherd people feed it - and it causes growth problems. By the same token - putting a growing dog with certain energy needs to an adult food would be just as bad. Rickets comes to mind as a horrible way for a young dog to be crippled by malnutrition.

    I'd be interested to see your results.

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