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    Default How accurate is the feeding guideline on the back of the packet?

    So I've just done a load of research and math work in figuring out how Black Hawk (what I'd like to feed Koda) compares to Supercoat (What I am feeding him).

    I finally figured out how to weigh him without going to the vet... our only scales are totally up the creek! He weighs 24kg... Which proves to me (for those who saw my thread asking about his weight) that he is too skinny, so I will be feeding him more now. He used to be 30kg at one point, although he might have been a bit chubby then...

    I've based all my calculations off the recommended feed amounts for Koda's ideal weight. He is currently getting 3.5 cups of food per day, but while he's still on supercoat I'm going to up it to 4 or 4.5 cups per day so he gains a bit more weight.

    Black Hawk -

    1 cup = 126g

    According to the website, Koda should have 250 - 300g per day, so that is 2 to 2.5 cups per day.

    Average cost of $100 per 20kg, which splits up to $5 per 1kg.

    So adding it up, I would get 80 servings of 250g out of a 20kg bag, which is 80 servings per $100.

    OR

    I would get 66 servings of 300g out of a 20kg bag, which is 66 servings per $100.


    Supercoat -

    1 cup = 120g

    According to the back of the packet, Koda should have 450 -500g per day, so that is 4 to 4.5 cups per day.

    Average cost of $50 per 18kg bag, which splits up to $2.78 per 1kg.

    So adding it up, I would get 40 servings of 450g out of an 18kg bag. Which is 80 servings per $100 (same as Black Hawk)

    OR

    I would get 36 servings of 500g out of an 18kg bag. Which is 72 servings per $100.



    I know of another male Australian Shepherd who is a similar size to Koda (a bit smaller though) and he only gets 2 cups of food per day!!

    So If the feeding guides are correct, then Koda could potentially be fine with only 2 cups of food per day which works out no more expensive than Supercoat! He hasn't had meaty bones for a while either, but I'm happy to feed them once or twice a week as well.

    I'm willing to give it a go at least, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone has any experience with how accurate the guides are, cause I really have no idea..

    Gosh this post is long.... I appreciate it if you've made it to the end

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    I'm not sure about feeding guidelines but you definitely need to feed much less Black Hawk than Supercoat.
    We have been struggling with money a bit last month so I had to buy supercoat rather than black hawk.. Molly weighs 25kg and to keep her at this weight, I was having to give her 4.5 cups of supercoat.. I bought a bag of black hawk 2 weeks ago and she is getting 2 cups and is now on the chubby side.. I'm going to start to cut her back to 1.5 cups. Meika weighs 13.5kg and only gets half a cup of black hawk.
    Black hawk definitely lasts a lot longer and works out cheaper

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    You have certainly gone the extra mile LOL. My 22 kg Koolie measuring 56.5 cm at the withers so a tall muscular nicely boned dog, very lean and shiny gets 2 cups of Black Hawk + 1/2 cup supercoat.

    The average pet owner might think he is a shade on the skinny side but he does a lot of jumping and is a working dog and I am happy with his weight. My 19.5 kg working big boned 55.5 cm Border collie gets 1 1/2 cups of BH or Earthborn holistic grain free ocean fusion+ 1/2 cup supercoat as does my 16 kg 48.5 cm working kepie.

    My 43 cm 16.5 kg young working cattle dog gets 1 cup BH and 3/4 cup Super coat. So really it is all about the dog.

    My dogs would be enormous if I fed them 4 cups of Supercoat LOL. To be honest I have directly substituted BH and SC and seen absolutely no difference.

    I base all my dog on 2 cups of whatever and go from there. I do lean towards Earthborn Holistic grain free, Black Hawk with some Nutro Natural choice and reducing the SC I feed them.

    It does sometimes change between winter and summer, what training treats I am using and what they look like. I like my dogs on the lean side.

    To be honest I completely ignore the feeding guides. I like lean well muscled dogs and feed and exercise to achieve this.

    Maddogdodge I dont know how tall Koda is or his build but 30 kg seems a bit of a whopper for and Aussie Shepherd even 24 kg seems a tad heavy. Perhaps I am used to the smaller lighter working Aussies that I know. My Koolie is a big dog, jumping maxi heights in ANKC and ADAA and even he weighs in at 22 kg.
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    Actually I lie, I just weighed my Koolie and a year on from the last weighing he now weighs in at 23.7 kg as a mature adult male. How tall is Koda? My boy is a bigger dog than any of the Aussies I know working or show bred. I dont know any male aussies jumping at the max 600 height. This seems to be the domain of the working bred male Border collies, kelpies and koolies and traditional big dog breeds.
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    Koda is 59.5cm tall at the withers, so he's pretty tall for an Aussie, he's a very solid dog too, not the best kind of dog for working or agility, he's a bit clumsy, and likes to throw his weight around lol!

    Interesting how one person noticed a huge difference and another person didn't see much difference. I guess it depends on the type of dog.

    I'll probably just have to trial him with it, I guess I could start with 3.5 cups of Black Hawk and see if he gains weight. Then perhaps I could lower it down to 2 or 2.5 to see if he ends up losing weight or not...

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    Yes he is a big boy! Never seen an Aussie that big! Yes trial and error is often the only way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    I dont know any male aussies jumping at the max 600 height. This seems to be the domain of the working bred male Border collies, kelpies and koolies and traditional big dog breeds.
    The dog I mentioned in my first post in this thread (the male Aussie who only gets 2 cups of food) jumps at the 600 height. He's a bit smaller than Koda, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Yes he is a big boy! Never seen an Aussie that big! Yes trial and error is often the only way.
    Yes, I get lots of comments from Aussie owners about how big he is. I'm always looking at other Aussies and thinking they look so small!!

    I guess there is no reason why I couldn't mix Supercoat and Black Hawk either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogdodge View Post
    The dog I mentioned in my first post in this thread (the male Aussie who only gets 2 cups of food) jumps at the 600 height. He's a bit smaller than Koda, too.



    Yes, I get lots of comments from Aussie owners about how big he is. I'm always looking at other Aussies and thinking they look so small!!

    I guess there is no reason why I couldn't mix Supercoat and Black Hawk either.
    All the Aussies I know are 400 and 500 dogs! But then you dont see a huge number where I am!

    I do a lot of mixing depending on price and activity of the dogs. I only pick up Supercoat when it is on special at around $16 per 8kg.
    I also use Earthborn coastal catch which is 32% protein and 18% fat when I can get hold of it. 12kg $95 and a 25 kg dog needs 205 g.

    Regardless though of the mix I generally feed 1 1/2- 2 cups depending on the dog and my Koolie gets 1/2 cup more. This seems pretty standard when I speak to friends with similar dogs on varying types of dry food. I have transitioned over the years from straight Supercoat to what I feed now. My cattle dogs used to get fat on Supercoat if I fed anywhere near the recommendations, but that is cattle dogs for you!

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    We've got Aussies jumping 500 or 600 here - none doing 400.

    We've got some shelties doing 400... they're really big for shelties, as big as some border collies.

    So about the food. Generally if your dog is desexed - you can cut back the recommended amount by 1/3 for starters.

    You don't need as much black hawk (by weight) as supercoat to maintain the same condition. And with supercoat - you will be picking up three times as much crap. And the crap will be more gooey. Yuck.

    I feed my dog who is around 22kg give or take a couple of kg - about 3/4 of your medium sized enamel tin mug - about 200gm. And she gets a bit more (50gm ish) as treats on walks or if we do training sessions. Ie she has to work for any extra. If I'm feeding her casserole - she gets about 100gm total of black hawk to go with.

    I think Nutro Natural choice - the feed rate was about the same (and the crap rate) as black hawk.

    Supercoat - it's not the price but the sheer devastating quantity of crap it generates that I can't handle.

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    I've never thought Koda produces any more crap than any other dog... however he's always been on supercoat or other similar brands, so I don't really know any different.

    I do know that some of the dogs who crap in my grooming area... my goodness gracious, its disgusting, much worse than Koda! Absolutely massive and they stink the whole place out... Koda's don't seem to smell as much as others I've noticed...

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