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    So far Nero and Rox are on Advance dry food. Since they both hate it I also cook once a week a mixture of mince, heart, liver, kidneys... and whatever else I can find in the 'cheap' section of our local woollies. They only eat the kibbles if they can't separate them from the meat. In fact Rox will go to great length to lick all the 'good' stuff off the kibbles and spit them into neat heaps all over the house and the garden (the possums love it)

    I find this Advance stuff really expensive and since they don't like it and I'm cooking their food anyway I was going to go the next step and leave it out alltogether. Barff is way out of our budget and difficult to source. I don't want to feed them raw - mainly because it's a pain to store without a decent freezer and I don't trust woollies with freshness of their cheap meats. I rather cook them up something once a week and feed it during the week.

    So now I have been doing a bit of research on the net what they need for a balanced diet and am getting awfully confused. My idea was to add about 1/4 of veggies (broccoli, carrot, cauliflower, cabbage) and some carbs (brown rice, potatoes) because they both love potatoes. But now I see that dogs can't process carbs? While others seem to dispute that...

    So those of you not feeding kibbles... do you ad carbs? Or, if not, how are your dogs going with that?

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    veggies I find work well are carrots, sweet potato, pumpkin.

    I'd be a little bit careful of veg in the brassica family eg broccoli and cabbage - they can make for very sulphury stinky farts. Beans might be better. And my dog eats a fair bit of grass.

    Brown rice tends to go straight through unchanged. Rolled oats are good.

    I changed from Advanced to Nutro because she was getting the runs on advanced. And then I changed from nutro to black hawk because it was a bit cheaper. Nutro and Black Hawk have slightly better quality ingredients than Advanced. Nutro, Advanced, and Pedigree are made by the same parent company (mars - yes mars bars corp) and probably in the same factory.

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    I was feeding my boy basically the exact same for a while, mix of liver & dog mince with veges and rice. Really trying to get him back into dry food but he's so damn fussy. However last week I decided to try one of those 3kg bags of pet mince (they're about $13 at woolies), and surprisignly the meat actually looks pretty decent. Was expecting it to be just a blended gooey mess, but there's actual chunks in there and only a small amount of fat. He seems to like it, and 3kg lasts a while. Might be worth a look

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    I've read that dogs don't need carbs but that a small amount isn't harmful. But that was just though google too (seemed a reliable source, but who knows). They recommended oats or brown rice. Wish I'd bookmarked it because they had some good advice on veggies too.

    I buy the Woolies pet mince when I can't get to the pet store. It seems OK indeed though there's an awful lot of moisture in it. But then, you get that with lots of their meat. My conspiracy theory is that they inject water in it to cheat on weight! And I am a tad worried about high levels of preservatives.

    I do use my freezer so I only have to shop once a fortnight. I buy 5kg bags of pet mince from the pet store and trust it to stay fresh in the fridge for close to a week. I don't think dogs are affected much if it's not super fresh. I add the VAN mix which makes it really easy and I don't have to worry about getting the nutrients right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post

    I buy the Woolies pet mince when I can't get to the pet store. It seems OK indeed though there's an awful lot of moisture in it. But then, you get that with lots of their meat. My conspiracy theory is that they inject water in it to cheat on weight!
    Not even really a theory, it is done. Whether or not Woolies does, I don't know, but I have heard of it

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    I'm a bit reluctant to buy "pet mince" and I don't tell butchers when I am buying for dog food.

    Dogs evolved with humans so they would have gotten what ever was left over - which may or may not have been cooked and may or may not have been "meat". Natural selection suggests - they only had to live long enough to reproduce successfully so a crap diet would have been ok but a better diet would help both humans and dogs live longer.

    Ie just because dogs might have been wolves once - doesn't mean the best food is raw. Doesn't mean raw is bad either. But cooking does kill a lot of germs and some parasites that can be bad for dogs too.

    I have had some bad experiences with pet mince - and when it comes to some of it - you can't cook it because often it contains stuff that should not be fed to dogs cooked. Eg raw and minced chicken frames with all the bones. If a dog eats that cooked - it can form a sort of barrier mat in the gut and block every thing up. But people who sell pet mince don't always tell you what's in it. And there aren't as many rules about the quality and cleanliness of it. Other than it must be "fit for purpose" ie not kill your dog overnight. But if your dog loses 3 years off their life expectancy from eating it - it would be hard to prove or get any worthwhile compensation.

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    I buy human mince when it is on special along with heart, chicken necks, wings etc. and feed it all raw.

    They will spend days working marrow bones, dig them up all black and eat bits from the occassional sheep or kangaroo carcass that has been festering in the sun for weeks. Doesnt seem to have any negative effects on their health. The vet told me that it is amazing what dogs guts can deal with and I believe her after seeing what my dogs eat before I can stop them. I just worm them regularly and dont get to hung up on what they find on the paddocks sometimes. They also eat a tonne of sheep poo, they love it!

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    I usually buy the pet mince in woolies. Sometimes they'll get human grade mince on offer - but they actually prefer the pet mince. Go figure! Makes me wonder how much salt they add. I avoid buying the 3kg bags because I find that really mostly consists of water. I buy the smaller purple bagged stuff... no idea what it's actually called. Last week I discovered that our local butcher has pet mince in his freezer so I bought 3kg of that. The dogs absolutely love it. Even Rox licked her bowl clean. Too bad they can't have it anymore because I cannot stomach the stink! Seriously! It made me gag! OH put down his foot last night (gagging) and outright forbid me to ever buy that mince again. Needless to say I'm with him on this one.

    That's also the reason why I cook it. It stinks! I have no doubt that they would prefer their dinner a little 'matured' and I agree that it would probably not do them any harm. But it's my fridge and I don't want that stuff stinking away in it. Since we ourselves barely eat meat there are also no leftovers from us - although Nero quite likes Tofu I doubt it's a long term solution

    Anyway, I've calculated between them they'll need about 1.45kg of food between them per day. That's an awful lot of meat. I go shopping only once a week so I have to somehow fit 10kg of dog food in my fridge, as my freezer is pretty much filled up with their bones. So now I've about 10kg of petfood in my fridge and see how it'll last me through the week. It's a trial... but I'm not sure if I want to go through cooking 10kg of dogfood every week. It's an awful mess because even the wok isn't big enough. It is cheaper though! I spent only 30 bucks plus some leftover veggies that were slowling going off in our fridge and it should last all week.

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    Apart from bones in the feezer I just stick to dry food and fruit. Dogs love apples in particular. Earthborn holistic grain free, blackhawk, nutro natural choice with the occassional bag of supercoat. I dont eat much meat either so I buy for the dogs specifically. The meat section often has specials on the mince and stewing type steak and reductions when the meat is approaching its use by date. I will start putting more of my cull sheep in the freezer this year for the dogs.

    As to the stink, I think cooking causes just as much smell, maybe a couple of big sealed containers that fit in the fridge would help with the stink factor.
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    Yeah right! Sounds as if I need a new house if you ask me.

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