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    Our butcher here has 10kg of "mince" for $10 - my boy liked it (but eventually went off it like everything else), but it absolutely stunk. Haven't smelt anything that horrible in my life. I found it did usually have small bits of bone in it though - they probably would have been OK but I picked through it and took them out, but also stuff like chicken claws etc .. nasty stuff, but at least I knew it was real.

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    I feed mostly raw........I do buy some pet mince from a reputable Pet food supplier, but I mostly get it from my awesom butcher. the easiest way to check if they use preservatives is colour.....if you leave pet mince with preservatives out (in normal temps) it stays bright red. the non-preservative one gets a brownish tinge very quickly on the mince that touches air.....A butcher told me this. he also told me that some human grade has still some stuff in it. Not allowed but still do. Because we as people go for the bright red , when we should go for the one that changes colour......I feed lots of veggies, any at all brassica, lupins (peas and beans) Pumkin, potato anything that comes out of our veggie garden that is not on the "do not feed list"
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    the easiest way to check if they use preservatives is colour.....if you leave pet mince with preservatives out (in normal temps) it stays bright red. the non-preservative one gets a brownish tinge very quickly on the mince that touches air.....

    Good point!

    They really do love this stinking mince from our butcher! They used to be quite laidback when it came to dinnertime (lying around looking at me bored), now they step on my toes and try to climb on top of each other to get a look at the counter as I prepare their bowls. I really wish it wouldn't stink that bad. I haven't seen any bones or chicken claws but the smell is really unsettling. Even cooked. As soon as I take it out of the fridge and open the tub. Erm... I suspect a very, very old sheep. The smell reminds me of my uncles place when he slaughtered some of his sheep. Times 1000.
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    Offal is like fish - it goes stinky very quickly - ie even in the fridge, it's stinky within 24 hours... so maybe the stinky pet mince contains a lot of minced liver and heart and kidney... which would be very very attractive to a dog. The best bits as far as they're concerned.

    I don't mind those things but only within 24 hours of "harvest".

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    Well when I get my neighbour to occassionally kill one of my older sheep for the dogs, it does smell, even though it is fresh. It is not an off smell but it is none the less a slightly unpleasant smell, possibly associated with it being and older animal, who knows. I put it straight into the freezer and even when I pull it out it has that smell.

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    Kalacreek

    You haven't been letting the old sheep eat wormwood or penny royal, both those things make meat stinky and not so great tasting.

    We used to eat a lot of mutton. I don't remember the smell.

    Billy goat was bad tho. Did not eat that.

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    When I worked at a butcher shop I used to have the fun job of making the pet mince. It was made up of a lot of beef liver along with a lot of fatty trim.

    It was basically a free for all where anything and everything went in it. Bread, parsley stalks peoples sandwiches that were going mouldy, any meat that was starting to turn. I used to love the smell of it as it went through the mincer. Would never buy it for my dog though. Don't know if all butchers are the same but wouldn't surprise me. It's cheap for a reason.

    The best way to tell if your human grade mince has preservatives in it is to break it apart. It should be darker in the middle where the air hasn't touched it. The air will make it go red.
    Woolies doesn't use preservative in their mince. Butcher shops shouldn't either but you always get the odd one that tries it until they get caught.

    Also woolies doesn't pump water into their meat either. Their meat comes from a lot of different abbatoirs that also supply meat to other places as well as overseas.

    At the store I work in at the moment here in Tassie our meat is coming in from local abbatoirs as well as from places in Victoria, Nsw and lately we've been getting stock in from Qld.

    Yes I know I work for Woolies but I have also been to the meat works and watched the entire production change and I know we sure as hell don't have any machines at my store that you can pump meat with.

    I can't comment on mutton having a stronger smell than lamb as we don't really get mutton at work. I have noticed that any pork that has a strong smell will generally be male.
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    I didn't go back to that butcher for more. I bought human grade mince in wollies instead - it's only marginally more expensive than the pet mince anyway. So now we're 2 weeks into our experiment and the dogs love it. Bowls are licked clean in our house now. They're getting a mixture of mince, hearts, liver, kidneys, chicken giblets (whatever that is), veggies (carrots, sweet potatoes, maybe some broccoli, apples, potatoes) and rolled oats (thanks Hyacinth for the tip!).

    I'm still a bit struggling with the amount though. I found an online source saying that Nero with 35kg would need a bit over 1kg of food a day. And Rox being just over 15 would need about 0.40 kg. This seems an awful lot to me, so I did cut it down - but I find that Nero still put on a bit of weight in the past 2 weeks. Not an awful lot, he just looks a bit more 'padded' in his hips and he isn't quite energetic anymore. The latter I find a bit of a worry...and confusing... do I need to up or down the amount of food?

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    Hey Margoo, I actually feed my dog Phuds dog food. I liked it so much I asked the owner if I could become a stockist and she said yes. It's made in Vic up near the border of NSW and the owner/creator is a nautropath. She has s side company call Brown's Animal Herbals and does horse stuff too. They also have supplements for joint health, skin health and stress relief.

    Anyway, I feed that and it is great. I also buy my mince from a great pet store near me. They buy in the meat/carcasses and mince it themselves. I usually just get chicken and it is made of the whole carcass, minus the "good bits" (breast, drums, etc). It is really good because your dog is also getting the bone/cartilage etc from the animal. With human grade mince from the supermarket, you are basically only getting breast meat ground up (plus the extras - preservatives, additives, etc).

    It's also quite good value too. In terms of feeding, you start feeding approx 3% of their body weight then adjust accordingly, so you would start with 1,050g and 450g for your two then adjust as needed depending on exercise, matabolism, etc.
    So feeding your two would cost (depending on the cost of the meat - I'll use $3/kg for this but I pay $1.90)...
    about $26 per week.
    (or $21 per week for $2/kg mince)

    The ingredients are here -> Phud's Dog Food

    but here is a copy -
    Wholemeal of oat and barley, legume lentils, peas, carrot, psyllium husk, ground flaxseed, polenta, coconut, buck seed, king island kelp, rosa canina (rosehip herb), dandelion root (taraxacum offi cinale), calcium.

    As you can tell, I love the stuff. I guess that's because I see the change in the dogs and the look on the owners faces when the dogs have stayed here and been fed it for their whole stay :P Priceless.

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    he just looks a bit more 'padded' in his hips and he isn't quite energetic anymore. The latter I find a bit of a worry...and confusing
    The fatter a dog is the more lethargic it can get. Loss of energy if they're starving probably wouldn't set in until they are quite boney...

    I've had my dog down fairly skinny - skinnier than I'm comfortable with anyway - and she was extremely energetic and easy to train for some reason. except when she went forarging...

    Takes a while to find the balance and then you're always tweaking at the edges for the days where their work levels are different.

    A desexed dog usually needs about 1/3 less than the recommended amount on the pack - unless it has a recommended amount for a desexed dog.

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