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    Question BARF danger?

    You know when I was a kid you just picked up a mutt from the pound and fed it whatever fell of the dining room table and they lived for years without any problems. Now it all seems so complicated and since I'm considering investing $3k into a pedigree bulldog I want to get it right. I just read a worrying post on another site about an owner who had followed the BARF diet and the dog died from bowel damage caused by bones and apparently the vet told them they should never have used the BARF diet. Are bones in the diet just for the calcium, can you grind up chicken bones and add them to raw meat instead?

    How do you work out what is a good balanced diet for your dog and how precious do you have to be about what you give them? I was shocked when I read ppl giving hot dogs and cheese etc because I thought you had to be very strict about making sure they didn't get too much processed crap or fat but then ppl are saying its ok for a treat. I'm really confused. I just want a nice healthy dog that enjoys what it eats.

    Help pls?

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    I think it's definitely worth avoiding processed food as much as possible. But if it's just given as treats/rewards it is not going to do any damage. And it is true that some dogs do really well on cheap kibble or even dinner table scraps too of course. Which is good to realise because it will stop you from stressing too much about diet.

    I fed my previous dog on cheap supermarket food. But after becoming a regular visitor of this forum, I switched to raw mince with Vets All Natural (VAN) mix. I complement it with chicken necks and raw beef or pork bones to chew on. I buy the mince from the pet shop. It does contain some preservative but they claim it is only what is left after dipping the carcasses and well below the acceptable limit. I only have their word for it though... Mince from a butcher would be better. I don't think there's bones in the pet mince I buy, unless it's chicken.

    I have no idea what is in BARF dog food. I gave it to my cat the other day and it was really smooth, didn't notice any bones. But I don't know about the bones in the dog variety...

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    My understanding is that BARF isn't a brand of dog food its a specific diet which advocates using raw bones etc.

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    BARF is brand specific. Bought in packages often frozen from retailers and vets. It is raw food.
    So, raw food diet is what it generally referred to. Certain bones should not be given to dogs, chicken thighs and weight bearing as I have read around.
    I wonder about how to know it is bone damage unless there was a specific issues. Certainly NEVER cooked bones of any variety.
    I look at my dogs teeth and she is totally evolved to eat meat and disposes of bones in a very short time. She eats raw lamb and chicken with chicken necks. Bones sometimes during the day. Glossy and full of beans.
    It's a bit like raising children you do everything you know to be right at the time but stuff happens.
    Should be quite a few links on here if you type in raw diet.

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    Oh 'ejburke32' - you are really going to cause yourself some ulcers if you don’t settle down a bit. You are turning what should be a very exciting and happy time into a total stress overload.

    Food for your new puppy:

    For the best initial results and less stress on your brand new pup’s tummy - you feed what the breeder of your pup has been feeding it on – no if, no buts – you just do it.

    The breeder of your pup will be the best one to advise you about what is the best type of food for that particular breed of dog – both as a puppy and as an adult.

    If you wish to change the diet later – then you do it very very slowly ! Discuss all these sorts of things with the breeder.

    A link that I find good - and there is section on puppy feeding:

    Dr Bruces Vets All Natural - Natural Pet Products, Healthy Pets - Home

    Take care when doing ‘Mr Giggle’ searches – always have the search area as Australia.
    Have fun ! smiley-eatdrink004.gif

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    Until the dog is full grown (18 months) I would stick to good quality dry puppy food. They need lots of calcium as pups

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    Oh 'ejburke32' - you are really going to cause yourself some ulcers if you don’t settle down a bit. You are turning what should be a very exciting and happy time into a total stress overload.

    Food for your new puppy:

    For the best initial results and less stress on your brand new pup’s tummy - you feed what the breeder of your pup has been feeding it on – no if, no buts – you just do it.
    Well pardon me Riley if I want to do a bit of decent research before I start feeding my $3,000 dog! I'm not giving myself ulcers I'm trying to get a range of information from different dog owners so I can make an informed decision about the best diet. Yes I am aware that as a puppy you feed it what the breeder had it on, I'm trying to plan for the long term when i'd like to get it off as much processed food as I can and get a more natural diet. And i'm not stressed I'm excited which is why I want to keep discussing all the options and get feedback from everyone.

    So thanks for the link but please don't make a judgement call on how I go about getting information about the topic.

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    Hi ejburke,

    I think you have taken RileyJ's post the wrong way which is easy to do when your reading ....it would have sounded diffrently....shes not like that at all.

    Anyway, i remember thinking the same thoughts your having now....my first PB dog and a cool $1500 later, i didnt want to feed a dear dog cheap food.

    There are so many options for feeding dogs it's minboggling so try not to get to wrapped up in it all. Trial and error is the best way to start i reckon. Your breeder will know whats best and for the first few months feed your new pup whatever they recommend before SLOWLY.... switching over to new types of foods.

    I've had good results with Black Hawk kibble and 'Scotty' dog rolls that i buy from my butcher. But others here have had issues with the same foods so every dog is going to be diffrent. RAW requires a lot more effort and freezer space but if your keen go for it. Kibble is easy but probably the most expensive (for a top brand anyway).

    So just try new things,..experiment with what your dog wants and it does well on.

    Just dont do tinned food.....it sux no matter what brand it is.

    Thers also heaps of other threads here about foods so be sure to have a nosey through them at some stage....might take a bit of time though so pour a cuppa first.

    Good luck


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    Forgot to say as far as bones go...i only feed mine the giant marrowbones so nothing gets swallowed...i've had to save my Bullmastiff from choking once before and it wasnt nice.

    Chicken necks are also in my dogs bowls a few times a night but a pup can choke on them too so freeze them and hold them while pup has a chew.


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    Thanks Sean, I'm reading through the old posts to try and pick up some info. I am not going to get my pup for anything up to 12 months so chatting about the puppy's needs is the only way i can vent my growing excitement, so I wanted RileyJ to know i'm not tying myself in knots I'm engaging in fun discussion about what is currently only an imaginary puppy. My main concern and reason for starting this thread was that on another forum someone was going on about how the BARF diet with the bones ended up killing her dog which ended up with a lot of bowel injuries due to the sharp bones it had eaten and the vet didn't advocate BARF (the diet regime not the actual brand) as a good option. I was hoping to get some discussion around how to make sure that the bones you feed your dog don't end up doing internal damage.

    Everyone says that chicken carcasses are good for puppies but the idea of a puppy eating a small chicken bone and getting it stuck freaks me out. Does anyone run puppy 1st Aid courses? LOL, no seriously I'd like to know if something goes wrong what to do.

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