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    I thought that if a dog was already registered and a council decided to call it a restricted breed that the owner had the option to keep the dog, subject to the normal restrictions of restricted breed. Guess i gotta go read the stupid legislation again

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    I thought that if a dog was already registered and a council decided to call it a restricted breed that the owner had the option to keep the dog, subject to the normal restrictions of restricted breed. Guess i gotta go read the stupid legislation again
    (In Vic and in reference to APBT)... Only if the dog was registered as a restricted breed prior to the end of the amnesty period (Sept 29 2011). If declared a restricted breed after that date, dog can be seized and euth'd IF the owner cannot prove AmStaffy via ANKC papers or vet's declaration OR sucessfully fight it through VCAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oskar's mum View Post
    I'm in Queensland, and was oblivious to it until I joined this forum, to be honest.
    And therein lies an enormous problem OM- too many folks out there not knowing exactly what the legislation means or how it potentially could impact them. Too many people thinking the legislation won't touch them (until it does) and thinking it promotes community safety.

    It's epic fail stuff.

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    So, all of us who have a cross breed dog without papers that look a certain way....our dogs have a number on their head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oskar's mum View Post
    So, all of us who have a cross breed dog without papers that look a certain way....our dogs have a number on their head?
    In Victoria, yes. I am unsure about Qld specifically. Stupid thing is, if you have a dog who looks a certain way and you have no papers to prove otherwise, the ONLY way to ensure 100% safety (in Vic at least) would have been to register them as a restricted breed and comply with all the regulations PRIOR to 29 Sept 2011. As of now, however, such a dog is at risk.

    I think Qld is not as insane- any Qld members to save me some googling able to confirm Qld regs?

    I would not advise anyone to bring any vaguely looking bully breed or unpapered dog into Vic. It's that bad.

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    That's terrible isn't it!!! Over in the states, they are slowly overturning pitbull bans....Australia seems a little behind the times in some regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oskar's mum View Post
    That's terrible isn't it!!! Over in the states, they are slowly overturning pitbull bans....Australia seems a little behind the times in some regards.
    Rather typical for Australia- if it doesn't work elsewhere- we try it anyway. Education is a terrific example. England tries stuff, discards it as useless and lo and behold! we implement it here with millions spent.

    Italy banned 90+ breeds before deciding BSL didn't work. It hasn't worked anywhere else worldwide. But Australia doesn't take its cues from other countries.

    Insane.

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    Breed identification template

    I found this, but Qld still doesnt seem to be as outrageous as Victorian laws

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    What the ranger and V&F said is right - in Victoria.

    They can also seize dogs that are not registered - though I think if they're not declared a restricted breed, the owner can still claim them back.

    But the 2nd stupidest bit of the legislation - rangers can declare any dog they like based on a subjective visual id. Ie they can declare any dog they like "restricted" and I think - it doesn't have to match the visual guide exactly if it is a cross with the restricted breed eg if it's a cross of a pitbull then it can be declared restricted and it doesn't have to look much like their visual id.

    And the most stupid bit of the legislation - if your poodle cross is declared - then you have to prove it is a pure bred ANKC registered AMSTAFF with the vic appeals tribunal (VCAT). There is no other out than to prove the declared dog - an AMSTAFF.

    And people wonder why I won't bring my dog to victoria. I'm waiting for an interstate tourist's dog to get seized - because they're not likely to be registered in Victoria.

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    Oskar will be safe as he can be in QLD due to the council's around here being sued a few times after taking people's AmStaffs and trying to PTS. Keira & Phoenix knows more about it than me, so she would be able to help better! Haha. All I know is that in QLD an AmStaffies can not be a pit bull or something along those lines! We just need to be happy we don't live in VIC!

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