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    Hi, I really need some general advice, I am not really ready to post full details. The dog tried to bite the vet, my tight hold on the leash is the only thing that prevented it. I was at the vet to discuss her dog to dog aggression and issues with training & have a look at her ears.

    We have basically been given 2 options.

    Declared Dangerous Dog (&) Dog behaviourist or Euthanasia

    Do dog behaviourists work? Can anyone let me know of any good ones that deal with dog & human aggression in the Sydney/Illawarra Area. I don't wan to spend that type of money if it is not worth it for the dog.

    I have been looking up the NSW dangerous dog laws and was wondering what exactly does a suitable enclosure for one look like?
    If they have to be kept in at all times how much of a quality life of they have? Can they still be walked whilst muzzled?

    How do you know you are making the right choice? Has anyone been in the situation when they have had to PTS a dog like this?
    At home with her family she is a great dog, she just cannot handle other dogs and strangers. She is no threat to anyone that does not enter her yard & can be muzzled and controlled at all other times. At the Vets after the Vet tried to touch her she became uncontrollable and had to be muzzled. The second she got home she was a different dog. She went out grabbed her ball and dropped it in the kids laps to get them to go play with her...
    I have been trying to train and socialise her but had no promising results, hence the reason for the Vet appointment.

    EDITED TO ADD- I forgot to mention this is not my dog Kimba. It is my partners 5 year old Shar Pei X Labrador. I have been trying to get her to become a well adjusted dog before we all move in together..
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    When I took our GSDs to the vet in Belgium, they used to muzzle them automatically as a precaution. I was surprised Australian vets never seem to do that. There have been situations in which I asked if they would muzzle my old dog - who had never bitten anyone before - if I knew that they would cause her pain. But the vet always said that it wouldn't be necessary and fortunately she never tried to bite. Made me nervous though. Lots of dogs can become unpredictable in that situation, and I don't think it necessarily means they are dangerous?

    But I don't really know the rules about dangerous dogs, sorry.

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    After the incident the Vet said the best thing to do would be to euthanise her, she even asked me if I still wanted to give her vaccinations as if I was wasting my time...

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    I would go the behaviourist way, because the dog is good at home ...........They can do great work at desensitizing. But the first thing is you will have to be totally committed and it will not happen overnight, it can take months.

    I cannot understand why a vet would consider a dog a dangerous dog when it goes off whilst being injected. I would call that extenuating circumstances.......

    But The one of the people who told me to put my Annabelle to sleep was a behaviourist Vet, the others were from a well known positive training system that I used to belong to.

    So I would go with a Good Dog Trainer who specializes in Behaviour and who will work with a vet if medication is needed, but seeing the dog is good at home that might not be needed.

    But you cannot expect to pay Say a certain amount and expect the dog to be fixed..it will be a program where it will take some time, your time and their time. Stay away from people who say they can quick-fix.

    I am sure that there will be some people who can suggest someone to help.

    I went from Souther NSW to Brisbane many years ago to get some help.........Some Trainers who take on behaviour problems specialize in aggression. I think K9Pro is one in Sydney. I am sure there are others
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    I like Newfsies post and agree!

    Also, when we took Barney to the vet for his leg, I specifically asked th evet to muzzle him. He wasnt liking us touching it and would flip his head round (but not bite) and I just thought if a stranger tries to touch it, he will rip their face off.

    I think when getting a needle it is not a "normal" situation, it hurts so there is going to be some sort of reaction.

    Hope you get it sorted!

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    what if your dog gets out??????? how will you feel when it attacks some innocent person or even a visitor to yor house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by realist View Post
    what if your dog gets out??????? how will you feel when it attacks some innocent person or even a visitor to yor house?
    Realist, having been through an incident just this week where my mother and my dog were attacked in my own street by a dog known to be aggressive, I STILL find your post unhelpful and just a bit inflammatory. The OP has already given quite enough details to suggest she is looking for ways to mantain this dog in a responsible manner and doesn't need the type of comment you have posted.

    Sharoo- I'd strongly advise contacting Steve Courtney (K9 Pro The K9 Professionals; Online Dog Shop) for some advice and perhaps consultation. He's in the Hawkesbury area. I'd be asking about the technical details of having your dog declared dangerous. I am not up to speed with NSW law, but here last week my mother and my dog were in fact attacked by an unleashed dog. Mum and Flirtt were both bitten, skin broken, puncture wounds etc.

    Now it sounds like your dog only attempted to bite? Didn't actually succeed?

    Well, here, because the wounds were not considered 'severe'- and to be quite honest, they weren't 'severe', the dog has been declared 'menacing' but did not make the criteria for 'dangerous'. The owners here will need to leash and muzzle her dog at all times off her own property (and pay fines etc) but the dog didn't meet the DD criteria.

    So my advice is; if the dog did not actually bite, talk to Steve about whether your dog can actually be legally declared DD as you might be being bluffed. Then, of course, a behavioral consult is likely to be helpful.

    A DD enclosure, just for your info, has to have 4 'walls' made of a specified grade or higher mesh, plus roof, be secure from digging under and, as far as I know, lockable entry. It is entirely possible for a dog to live in health in a run when not inside (a friend owned two pitties for years in good health and comfort by cleverly attaching his dogs's 'pen' to the house and having ingress/egress points only to indoors) and it won't kill a dog to be walked leashed and muzzled. Of course, construction of the pen is expensive and probably better avoided if you don't need it with the funds being used instead to secure the yard you have (like locks on gates etc).

    Hope that helps!

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    V&F sorry to hear what happened.......I think NSW laws are about the same, But I would have thought a bite at the vets was a totally different matter. just think how many white and fluffies would be considered a DD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    V&F sorry to hear what happened.......I think NSW laws are about the same, But I would have thought a bite at the vets was a totally different matter. just think how many white and fluffies would be considered a DD.

    Thanks Newfsie- it's quite a story, and definitely for another thread....

    Ok, quick research suggests that in NSW 'A dog may also be declared “dangerous” if it has displayed unreasonable aggression towards a person or animal' from http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/fi...swbrochure.pdf

    Of course, I'd be of the opinion that that would need to be proven, and Sharoo's dog's Behaviour at the vet may or may not satisfy the requirement.

    Sharoo- who gave you the final two options? Just wondering if this has proceeded to council level, or did the vet just tell you those were your options?

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    I think it is always a problem that non expert people can declare a dog a Dangerous dog.....Such as the Council. Most dogs are declared when they are under unusual stress levels.

    But the law is the law (and an ASS)...not much we can do
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