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    One of the first people fighting the laws in VIC regarding dangerous dogs. This bit just makes me shake my head - traits included "lock jaw and scissor teeth"

    A CSI-style dog case before VCAT has pitted a country couple against their local council over the fate of accused pit bulls Bear and Kooda.

    Cobram pair Nathan Laffan and Samantha Graham are the first to challenge the new dangerous and restricted animal laws under which their dogs were seized.

    They argue their dogs are not dangerous, should not be restricted and are not linked to the American pit bull breed.

    But Moira Shire Council enforcement officer Robert Ianson, who seized the seven-month-old dogs in September, said they had the hallmarks of cross-bred pit bull dogs.

    These traits included "lock jaw and scissor teeth", muscular build, head profile and size-to-weight ratio. The appeal centres on how to identify dangerous or restricted breeds.

    VCAT heard there were no definitive DNA tests to confirm pit bull terriers - or pit bull crosses.

    Mr Laffan claims Moira Shire Council seized his dogs after wrongly identifying them.

    The couple bought the dogs last year and were assured by the breeder they were a mix of bull mastiff, American bulldog and staffordshire cross.

    The animals were seized after Mr Laffan approached council to register the dogs.

    Moira Council lawyer Ragu Appudurai said the animals fitted the size, weight and physical features of a pit bull-type cross.

    Mr Appudurai conceded the fact "every pit bull is a cross breed" made interpretation of the new laws challenging.

    "The legislation as it now stands doesn't give them a great deal (of room) to move," he told the tribunal.

    "There is no such thing as a pure-breed American pit bull terrier."

    Mr Laffan argued the dogs were seized on September 26, days before the new laws took effect, and shouldn't be subject to seizure because the breeder had assured him they were bull mastiff crosses.

    Senior tribunal members Ian Proctor and Rebecca French will deliver their decision after further weight, size and characteristic assessments are made within the next week.
    VCAT must decide just what makes a pit bull | Herald Sun

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    I hate when they mention the Bullmastiff in theses things.....and scissor teeth? He, he thats to pin the liddle kiddy's with right? What a toss.


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    bloody lock jaw...how ridiculous.

    Also, this part "Mr Appudurai conceded the fact "every pit bull is a cross breed" made interpretation of the new laws challenging."

    Going by the way these Pro wankers are, its mor elike "every cross breed is a pitbull"...ridiculous

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    majority breeds have a scissor bite, that is normal correct dentition unless they are one of the brachycephalic breeds which are naturally undershot.

    The problem is, when you buy a crossbreed you have no guarentee of what you have. And stupidly enough people STILL keep purchasing unknown dogs that end up in this predicament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    The problem is, when you buy a crossbreed you have no guarentee of what you have. And stupidly enough people STILL keep purchasing unknown dogs that end up in this predicament.
    So you are saying it's people who choose crossbreeds - like the thousands that are sitting in shelters all over the country right now - that are the problem?

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    I dont think cross breeding really has anything to do with it. More so these clowns inability to correctly identify a APBT. How are they suppose to fairly enforce a law (that is stupid in its own right) when they are unable to physically identify a pit bull and there is no way to accurately DNA test them either.

    I hope this couple wins against the council and get their pets back.

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    Of course I do hope they win too and that would hopefully set a precedent which would eventually result in them revoking this stupid legislation.

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    i hope they win
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    Well watch out you Bull Arab owners because thats what these dogs sound like to me.....*shakes head*

    The good old 'lock jaw' . Good grief there are so many reports from qualified experts destroying this myth and yet it lives on,its like a ruddy urban legend.
    And how on earth did they deem that 2 7 month old pups had 'lock jaw' anyways? Sort of gives you an idea of the level of their intelligence right there.

    But the scissor bite would be correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    majority breeds have a scissor bite, that is normal correct dentition unless they are one of the brachycephalic breeds which are naturally undershot.

    The problem is, when you buy a crossbreed you have no guarentee of what you have. And stupidly enough people STILL keep purchasing unknown dogs that end up in this predicament.
    Thats a bit of a ridiculous generalisation.

    Out of 5 x breeds, I know exactly what 4 of them were (a lab/staffy, a staffy/boxer, a shih tzu/foxy and a pitbull/whippet)...so I did technically did have a guarantee of what I was getting. The only one who I do not know any parentage of is Barney....he was a stray puppy and I got him from the SPCA...sure he looks like a lab, bt it doesnt mean he is so I agree that sometimes you cant guarantee what you have if you havent met both the parents. But a lot of people who purchase x breeds know what the parents are.

    However, if you are more referring to the fact that you cant prove what x brred they are, then I would agree.

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