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    I think if newspapers started telling people what a waste of taxpayers money it was, they might stand up and take notice. In my opinion the government is somewhat liable for not researching their legislation (and in most cases, going against research and history). It furstrates me that some people so blindly and pigheadedly hold onto their beliefs so they don't have to admit that they might be wrong. The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding is being thrown into the bin more and more often because it's BAD.
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    Ah yes but scary dog stories sell lots of newspapers. So they're not going to do anything to prevent scary dog stories. I think if they could make more disasters and shark attacks they would.

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    What about ignorant politicians who ignore all the research... People love being angry at their government... "Your government knew that Pit Bulls weren't the problem, and yet they still did nothing!". I've seen a lot more stories around lately that are focusing more on education and anti-BSL (citing the studies that prove that it doesn't work).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
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    And hence want to be seen doing something rather than nothing, even if that something makes FA difference in reality.

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    I dont think you can blame the pollies or the media for the hysteria around certain dog breeds....I think it is just the way society is going.

    Take my mother for instance She is her own woman, and is generally not influenced by media or other people's opinions, and in fact, often seems to take the opposing side because she like to be difficult.

    Her and I had a chat about BSL where I voraciously defended pitbull types and she just would not listen. When we had our pitty whippet x, she wouldn't let him anywhere nearher, despite the fact he was a pup and was constantly lecturing me about the dog. My brother also currently has a pitbull/rotty mix (not the ideal mix of breeds IMHO as they both need a firm hand, but it doesnt make it n evil dog) who thus far seems to be a lovely lovely girl (and has been named Saint as she is such a sweety) but my mum is absolutely adamant it will kill my brothers children. She's not stupid, but this idea is in her head and it didn't come from the media. This is all despite me spitting out statistics about the percentage of pitbulls that pass temperament tests versus border collies (whom we had one of as a child) - who pass less often than pitties.

    Lots of people who are anti pitbull are that way. They just dont want to know the other side at all, they ar enot interested. Someone has to take the blame as far as they are concerned. They are the same people who would have lynched black people for being black. The same people who hunted and drowned witches. Unfortunetely, there is just no changing some of their minds...I even know of a couple who will rabbit on about how lovely their friends pitbull is and how great it is with kids, but they will still say pitbulls should be banned.

    It's ridiculous and unfortunately in our nature to hate those that do not look as we think they should, or act as we think their looks dictate they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Lots of people who are anti pitbull are that way. They just dont want to know the other side at all, they ar enot interested.
    I know exactly what you mean. My son (now 10), when he was 3 or 4 years old fed some friendly ducks with me at a local park. It wasn't until recently that I realised that he believed that ducks can't fly (well, he'd never seen them fly). Nothing I said could convince him that ducks could fly. I showed him videos on YouTube, and he said that they were a myth (I think he meant special effects). It got the point where on Sunday I saw some ducks near the river on the way home and pulled the car over. The ducks were just sitting in the water and I thought there was no way that they would 'just happen to fly'. I was trying to think of a way to get them to fly without harassing them, when two of them just upped and flew about 100 meters (must be mind readers). He still tried to tell me that ducks can't fly and those two must just be mutants.

    I could tell that he didn't really believe that, that he just didn't want to admit that he'd been so adamantly wrong about something (I have no idea where he gets his stubbornness from - ~looks away innocently~". It wasn't until I told him that if he wanted to admit that ducks could fly, I'd pretend that I'd never heard him say otherwise. It was only then that he'd admit that ducks CAN fly.

    I posted a link to an article called "troublemakers" under the thread heading "What pit bulls can teach us about profiling". It's a long read, but it makes some excellent points about generalising.

    "The goal of pit-bull bans, obviously, isn't to prohibit dogs that look like pit bulls. The pit-bull appearance is a proxy for the pit-bull temperament—for some trait that these dogs share."... ""A fatal dog attack is not just a dog bite by a big or aggressive dog," Lockwood went on. "It is usually a perfect storm of bad human-canine interactions—the wrong dog, the wrong background, the wrong history in the hands of the wrong person in the wrong environmental situation."... "A pit-bull ban is a generalization about a generalization about a trait that is not, in fact, general. That's a category problem."
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    Lots of people who are anti pitbull are that way. They just dont want to know the other side at all, they ar enot interested

    And you know what Lala most of the pro pitbull people would have you believe pitbulls are warm and fuzzy.
    I myself have no faith or trust in Pitbulls whatsoever and have come to this conclusion as a dog lover and owner of dogs for all of my life. I have said before and i will say it again the number of owners i have met who own them, own them purely as a tough dog, not a warm and fuzzy one.
    I was talking to another driver at work about dogs the other day and he showed me the 9" scar on his arm where it was stitched back together after being bitten by a pitbull. He even said he actually felt sorry for the dog being PTS. He said the dog wasnt trying to attack him but his small dog in his arms that he'd picked up when he seen it coming towards him. It could have been a Labrador, Mastiff whatever........but it wasnt, it was a pitbull. Clearly another irresponsible owner letting thier dog roam you say???, Unfortunately the breed seems to attract these type (and no that is not a dig at the resposible ones however you seem to be a minority).
    I dont know a 100% that i agree with BSL but its not going to really affect me at this stage so why would i come out to defend a breed i dont like or trust?

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    Peter70... Following on from your post, I just want to take this opportunity to clarify the objections 'we' are submitting against BSL.

    'We' (our small group of interested parties including NDTF) are not defending pitbulls. Nor do we defend any breed. Whether I/we like a breed or not is utterly irrelevant to our argument. In fact the notion of breed can be dropped completely and what we are arguing still applies.

    We are criticizing a course of action taken which boils down to this- if a dog looks one way, it is dangerous. If it looks any other way, it is safe. IMHO that is a terribly negligent way to deal with a community safety issue and has little chance of increasing community safety. That's it.

    The fact that this by default tends to support pitbulls as a breed is only relevant in that if the breed were, say, a Maltese it would do the same thing irrelevant of whether I like Maltese Terriers or not. The pitbull is nothing more than today's whipping boy, like Dobes, GSD's, Bloodhounds and others before them. The pitbull forms the 'visual ID'. That is the only relevance of breed.

    ETA: you say it won't affect you, so why bother? Well, when the visual ID markers of a 'dangerous breed' include height over 20cm, weight over 10kg don't complain because we need support now, not just when 'your' breed becomes endangered!!!!
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    I understand what your saying and i guess my last comment was a little silly, what do you offer as an alternative?

    Just for the record i dont think there is anything you can do to prevent dog bites but there must actions to REDUCE them.
    Last edited by peter70; 12-14-2011 at 02:38 PM.

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