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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    I guess licencing has some merit but have you had a look at people driving on our roads lately?
    Sure they ticked all the boxes of resposibility etc when they were getting thier licence, but now they have, do you think they care?
    Even the threat of losing thier licence or even death as a consequence of thier actions doesnt stop them, I have no idea what will.
    Yeah, I have to agree!

    To show how old I am, I remember a great ABC TV programme called "Torque" hosted by a cross dressing guy called Peter Wherrett. Great programme, lovely bloke.

    Anyway, Peter Wherrett made the comment "I laugh at all these people who
    say they have 30 years experience driving cars. They haven't; they have just had the one years experience, 30 times".

    I think that it is like this for most dog owners; they just repeat the mistakes they made with their first dog, over and over again.

    One thing about owning a pit bull; you learn quickly that the mistakes you made with your other dogs won't help you with this one.

    I do now consider that I am a responsible dog owner; back in my pug days I wasn't. I now contain my pit bull dog; I walk him on lead only; I pick up his poop; I feed him properly; I make sure he is wormed etc; he gets vet checked at least once per year; I exercise him; I entertain him; I have fully socialised him; I have trained him for reliable recall/sit/stay/drop/leave it/; I let him play with my 7 year old grandson as he is the only one of my dogs that is trustworthy with children.


    But most dog owners are like most drivers; they are crap.

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    Such is Life
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    Maybe i worry too much but Rid even if i could leave my gate open and dogs could walk past , i always worry about the one time when things go astray because that one time will always be the one thats remembered.
    In the 70's we never shut gates, locked houses or for that matter worried too much about our pets were up too, its amazing how things change.

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    Other stray dogs invading territory then sorting out the barney that happens would be my concern about open gates. Not the occupiers ( resident dogs) fault by any definition of any of the 700 local councils in Australia animal management legislations, but vet costs suck big time, not worth the risk imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rid**** View Post
    Can anyone put a finger on just why we are having so many dog attacks now.
    Recently seen on the new that as they said a cross Bull Terrier done its best to take a baby out of the pram while the Grandma was pushing it.
    It feel as if you turn on the tel or listen to the radio there is a story of a dog bitting.
    As a kid I know there were those few here and there but no where to what is going on now.
    We all use to walk about with our dogs off the lead and never had them behind a fence locked away.
    So I am going to put a big lot of this down to the fact that the dogs can't socialize with others and this might be pushing up their aggression levels.
    I could well be wrong and I admit I have nothing to say it is right but I don't know.
    Coming into this forum a bit late as I only just signed up, but I've been doing a bit of research on dog bites lately.

    4 children bitten every 3 days - In the period Jan - May 1989 there were at least 202 dog bites to children in Victoria alone (http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/resear...zard/haz03.pdf - page 5)

    2 children bitten every three days - For the period 1989 - 91 there were at least 731 dog bites (presenting at 5 Victorian Children's hospitals) over the three year period (http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/resear...zard/haz12.pdf - page 12) maybe the start of 89 was a rough time for dog bites, or maybe there was an overall reduction over three years

    2 people ADMITTED TO HOSPITAL every 3 days - In a report in 1996 - 100 of those were children, plus another approx. 400 children presented at emergency departments but didn't need to be admitted (http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/resear...zard/haz26.pdf - page 7)

    3 people bitten every second day (presenting at emergency departments - In a 1998 report (http://www.monash.edu.au/miri/resear...zard/haz34.pdf - page 3)

    As you can see, the problem isn't necessarily that there are more bites, just that the media picks and chooses which bites it reports (or the people choose which bites to call the media about). The media doesn't report EVERY bite. Almost no bites get reported in fact, and when the media picks three bites to report by the same breed, the public end up with a view that only that breed is ever responsible for biting anyone. It's just that they don't hear about all the bites by other breeds.

    I've even seen a news report about a Pit Bull that walked up to someone and sniffed them. There is no way that "incident" would EVER make the news had it been another breed.

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    Thanks Tash

    Is there any current data on how many bites are reported to compare?

    And I note in severa places - they've changed the way they count "dog attacks" so now they include not only trips to hospital where the patient is admitted but also trips to hospital where the patient is treated and goes home, and when the attacking dog doesn't bite at all but just harrasses another person or animal. So that woud up the count.

    I have noticed that if a dog vaguely resembling a "pitbull" does the "attack" it gets reported. But if its a husky or a border collie - much less reporting.

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    Hi Hyacinth,

    I have a pile of bite studies about 10 cm high, and a lot more links save on my PC that I haven't printed (I'm starting to worry about the trees I'm killing, there is that much info out there for the taking).

    I'll start a new thread and post them (hopefully in some sort of order) i.e. Bite rate; canine aggression; BSL studies; etc. I'll make a start tonight.

    Because some of the studies I have printed were only available "for personal use" and I needed a log in to access them, I'll only be able to cite the Title and Author of some of them. But for those one's I'll summarise the findings.

    The one's I linked to before were all from Victoria's Injury Surveillance System - Monash Uni Accident Research Centre (which is why they contain data on burns, etc). I'll try and find a more recent one. I'm sure I do have one here... give me a few minutes (I really need a TOC in my folder).
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    TOC in folder - erm I have subfolders that give me a clue, eg one folder for each year or whatever category I use most often.

    I was thinking of collecting data on google searches news for "dog attack" pages from australia - and seeing how many of the reports are for "pitbull" types vs anything else. I think one morning it was something like 10 for the pitbull attack on the staffy and owner (staffy dead, owner physically undamaged), and one for a border collie who bit a toddler on the face and the toddler needed stitches.

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    Australian Institute of Health and Welfare - National Injury Surveillance unit.

    Dog-related injuries - September 2005 (data from 2000-2003)

    Australia wide - 6 People Hospitalised per day

    http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/pubs...5/injcat75.pdf
    "What other people say about you, is a reflection of their character, not yours."

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